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    I'd much rather bat Gilchrist at six in both formats than make him open in both formats, especially given he's keeping wicket. So something like:

    1. Greenidge
    2. Smith
    3. Richards
    4. Tendulkar
    5. Chappell
    6. Gilchrist
    7. Pollock
    8. Imran
    9. Hadlee
    10. Wasim
    11. Muralitharan

    Not really happy with having to pick Wasim but having all of McGrath, Pollock and Hadlee in a team would be a bit samey, especially with Imran also there.
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    Why is Pollock batting ahead of Imran?
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    I know most CWers don't like tinkering with the batting order specialists, but from what I have observed watching cricket that it's better to pick the best bats regardless of where they will have to bat. For example, if I had to pick the best batting line-up from the last 20 years, then it would go like this

    Dravid | Kallis | Lara | Tendulkar | Ponting | Waugh, Steve

    I know most of you would pick Haydos, and Smith/Sehwag for as the openers, but I don't see the harm in just picking the best bats. The number 3 acts like an opener on so many occasions in his career anyways, so Dravid and Kallis are good to go, imo.
    If you were that old, and that kind, and the very last of your kind, you couldn't just stand back and watch children cry.

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    Graceful XI- players with graceful actions

    - Victor Trumper
    - Archie Jackson
    - David Gower
    - Mark Waugh
    - Peter May
    - VVS Laxman
    - Godfrey Evans
    - Richard Hadlee
    - Michael Holding
    - Dennis Lillee
    - Bishen Bedi


    Someone have a crack at a "Disgraceful XI"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Someone have a crack at a "Disgraceful XI"
    How about:

    Graeme Smith
    Alastair Cook
    Younis Khan (for some reason some people find his batting stylish, its just fugly imo)
    Javed Miandad
    Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    Mike Procter
    Jack Russell/ MS Dhoni
    Ravi Shastri
    Shabbir Ahmed
    Mutthiah Muralitharan
    Courtney Walsh

    Could have picked plenty who were more ugly to watch, but wanted to pick a good team... more like an Ugly but Effective XI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyanash89 View Post
    How about:

    Graeme Smith
    Alastair Cook
    Younis Khan (for some reason some people find his batting stylish, its just fugly imo)
    Javed Miandad
    Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    Mike Procter
    Jack Russell/ MS Dhoni
    Ravi Shastri
    Shabbir Ahmed
    Mutthiah Muralitharan
    Courtney Walsh

    Could have picked plenty who were more ugly to watch, but wanted to pick a good team... more like an Ugly but Effective XI
    Procter the batsman too good to be here, but yeah as a bowler. What about:

    Sutcliffe | Smith | Barrington | Miandad | Chanders | Dhoni + | Mackay | Procter | Croft | Willis | Murali |

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    People probably would have said the same about Sehwag, had it never been tried. He started out as a lower order dasher too. And he never developed an opening batsman's technique, he just relied on his eye and co-ordination, which Gilly possessed in spades. I think Gilchrist could well have done a top job as an aggressive modern opener.
    May be. But he never opened in tests. I would like to stick to actual data. Looks messy to make a keeper open in tests anyways. Don't want sachin in middle order in ODIs either.

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    Just pondering the

    "Gun fielders/all rounder combo (ODI)"


    Adam Gilchrist +
    Mark Waugh
    Ricky Ponting
    Viv Richards
    Jonty Rhodes
    Andrew Symonds
    Paul Collingwood
    Kapil Dev
    Wasim Akram
    Richard Hadlee
    Shane Warne

    Waugh, Ponting, Viv, Jonty, Symonds and Collingwood would be brilliant in the field, and the fraction you might lose by picking slightly lesser batsmen (Collingwood, Jonty and Symonds) on the basis of their fielding would be offset by the fact the opposition would be forced to hit out because of the excellent groundfielding, and by having batting all the way to 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Just pondering the

    "Gun fielders/all rounder combo (ODI)"


    Adam Gilchrist +
    Mark Waugh
    Ricky Ponting
    Viv Richards
    Jonty Rhodes
    Andrew Symonds
    Paul Collingwood
    Kapil Dev
    Wasim Akram
    Richard Hadlee
    Shane Warne

    Waugh, Ponting, Viv, Jonty, Symonds and Collingwood would be brilliant in the field, and the fraction you might lose by picking slightly lesser batsmen (Collingwood, Jonty and Symonds) on the basis of their fielding would be offset by the fact the opposition would be forced to hit out because of the excellent groundfielding, and by having batting all the way to 11.
    Nice team Love the bowling, and having Collingwood, Waugh, Symonds as bowling covers a good idea AB de Villiers for Jonty, though, I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Nice team Love the bowling, and having Collingwood, Waugh, Symonds as bowling covers a good idea AB de Villiers for Jonty, though, I think
    True. Clive Lloyd was another brilliant fielder.

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    Yup, one of the very best.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Tried an ATG XI where everyone but the openers and Bradman was an all rounder... came up with this

    1. Sutcliffe
    2. Hobbs
    3. Bradman*
    4. Kallis
    5. Sobers
    6. Miller
    7. Gilchrist+
    8. Faulkner
    9. Procter
    10. Imran
    11. Hadlee

    I think that team would be a challenge to beat.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Tried an ATG XI where everyone but the openers and Bradman was an all rounder... came up with this

    1. Sutcliffe
    2. Hobbs
    3. Bradman*
    4. Kallis
    5. Sobers
    6. Miller
    7. Gilchrist+
    8. Faulkner
    9. Procter
    10. Imran
    11. Hadlee

    I think that team would be a challenge to beat.
    Did you decide Hammond didn't quite qualify or did you just decide you'd rather have Kallis, Sobers and Miller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Tried an ATG XI where everyone but the openers and Bradman was an all rounder... came up with this

    1. Sutcliffe
    2. Hobbs
    3. Bradman*
    4. Kallis
    5. Sobers
    6. Miller
    7. Gilchrist+
    8. Faulkner
    9. Procter
    10. Imran
    11. Hadlee

    I think that team would be a challenge to beat.
    Just an All Rounders XI could be monumentally difficult to beat

    W G Grace
    Charlie Macartney/ Eddie Barlow/ Trevor Goddard

    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Jacques Kallis
    Aubrey Faulkner/ Keith Miller/ Ian Botham/ Tony Greig
    Adam Gilchrist (w)

    Imran Khan
    Mike Procter/ Alan Davidson
    Richie Benaud
    Richard Hadlee

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    South africa AT XI

    G. Smith
    H. Amla
    G.A. Pollock
    J.H. Kallis
    A.B. De Villiers
    G. A. Faulkner
    Mark Boucher +
    S.M. Pollock
    H.J. Tayfield
    Dale Steyn
    A.A. Donald

    ATG pace attack with Donald and Steyn taking the new ball and Shaun Pollock at first change. Tayfield could very well be the best off spinner of all time. Faulkner will bowl his wrist spin to complete the bowling attack. Kallis is always there if any of these guys needs a break.

    The top 5 batters are pure gold. At 6,7 and 8 we have solid late order batting from an allrounder, a batsman-keeper, and a bowling all-rounder.

    Kallis and Smith are excellent slip catchers. De Villiers is unmatched in the outfield.

    This is a good, solid team
    Last edited by bagapath; 14-05-2013 at 01:35 AM.



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