Interesting, very interesting.
ATG Test XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. S.R Tendulkar 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. Richard Hadlee 9. M.D Marshall 10. S.K Warne 11. G.D McGrath
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
You can change your name Bhupinder but you can't change your finger prints which are all over H4G.
Btw plumbinfront Imran was magnificent. Lets not change history. Just acknowledge it.
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What? I never said Imran alone benefitted from biased umpiring at home, I was talking about the Pakistani as a whole. IK was a great bowler, I have never denied that. Just annoying to see Pakistan being made some sort of victim of poor umpiring, when they've had more than their fair share of crap umpiring at home. And as annoyed as I am at how touchy some Imran fans are, I will never say he wasn't a great player. The sun didn't shine from every orifice of his, that's it. ATG he is. Never meant to insinuate that he is what he is because of bad umpiring or something.
Similarily agree, Imran makes my ATG XI, but to say he is the best or second best player to play the game, they are too many red lights there for me.
The captaincy thing is subjective at best and not something I place too great an emphasis on, Lloyd was supposedly a great captain, but didn't show it in county cricket, Worrell brought his team together and brought life back into the game along with Benaud in the '60's, but that wouldn't be required on a different team in a different era. Great stategic planing and field placing is important, and the overall vision for a team, but the rest of it is just a little exaggerated.
His fielding wasn't very good, dispite opinion to the contrary he didn't peak or perform consistently with the bat and ball at the same and there was a reason for the difference between his home and away stats beyond the pitches. There are other factors as well, but in the end ATG yes, best all rounder or cricketer, for me no.
Home away disparity is BS if the player is already accepted as a great. Just look at Lara abd Sobers's records.
One of the reasons I don't rate Sobers the best bat after Bradman, that and batting so much at #6. But a batting average of 50 away was pretty excellent considering the bolwers he faced in tough conditions in Australia and England.
Also never said a bowling average of 25 was bad.
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And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
Imran's record as captain is certainly not the best, however what adds to it is that he fought tooth and nail against the best team in the world and that he united a team that has always been known for in-fighting. No other captain from around the world could have united a team like he did.