And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
Wasim is probably the second best LH fast bowler, but as the greatest? More tai end wickets taken than top or middle order batsmen, and never once topped a rating of 850 far less being the top rated bowler of his era. Yes he could do amazing things with the ball, but the results were not there to match.
Regarding captaincy, Bradman was strategically very good and commanded the respect of his team mates and could set an example in the field. Will have to see who had the better win loss record as well. And if that is the criteria for being a good captain then what about Viv who never lost a test series. Overall though, Bradman for me.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
And I find it really funny that when defending their heroes they would often use "His contemporaries rate him very high" but they forget their own criteria when it comes to other players.This is pure double standards.yes I am Imran Khan's fan but he is rated as one of the greatest ever bowlers,allrounders,captains & cricketers not only by his contemporaries but other cricket greats,journalists,fans etc.
I don't think even the statsguru can produce four Test class Keeper/bowlers.
Top 5 Captains by winning %, for those to captain 20 matches
Steve Waugh, 57 tests, 41 wins, 9 losses and 7 draws (71.93%)
Don Bradman, 24 tests, 15 wins, 3 losses and 6 draws (62.50%)
Ricky Ponting, 77 tests, 48 wins, 16 losses and 13 draws (62.34%)
Lindsay Hassett, 24 tests, 14 wins, 4 losses and 6 draws (58.33%)
Mike Brearley, 31 tests, 18 wins, 4 losses and 9 draws (58.06%)
Unsurprising top 5 really, with Waugh and Ponting, along with Bradman, playing in some of the best teams of all time. Hassett, inherited the captaincy and a wonderful team from Bradman. Brearley's captaincy period was dominated by Botham, in his peak. Bradman and Brearly both have a very low percentage of losses. While Steve Waugh dominates in terms of draws.
For the record, Viv, had a winning percentage of 54, but a huge 30% draw rate. Imran Khan was captain for 48 tests, and only won 14 (29.17%). Under his captaincy, Pakistan drew more than half the games they played, having a low percentage of losses.
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ATG World XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. S.R Tendulkar 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. D.W Steyn 11. G.D McGrath
Imran not only won in Australia & England & almost won three series(I think 2 of them were drawn due to very pathetic & patriotic umpiring) against West Indies when everyone else was getting hammered.but I wouldn't call that or world cup as his greatest achievement but uniting a disassembled team like Pakistan into a match winning unit which never happened before him & hasn't happened since his retirement till now.Before his retirement he was able to prepare a crop of players & until their retirement Pakistan remained a very strong team.
Wawrick Armstrong is an underrated captain imo. Lost many years to the war, played 10 tests as captain, winning 8 and losing none, and averaged 20 more with the bat and 10 less with the ball while captaining. Clarke has been averaging 66 since picking up the captaincy, also a 20 run improvement.
What do you guys think of this lineup:
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Herb Sutcliffe
3. Don Bradman*
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Wally Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Mike Procter
9. Wasim Akram
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Shane Warne
It is a very good line up with good batting and a very versatile bowling attack
I am tired of hearing about how poor Imran Khan and his side lost some series because of bad umpiring. Shakoor Rana was responsible for a number of series victories by that measure and certainly helped Javed Miandad a little with his average. Let's not make out Imran - a bloke who not averse to bending rules (bottle caps *cough*) - was some sort of victim. Fair enough he may have copped a few bad decisions but equally he and his team benefitted from utterly biased umpring at home. The Pakistani bowlers would just have to hit the pads and boom, lbw! Don't wish to side track the discussion but yeah....
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