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    Tom or Richie Richardson should really be in there too. Pretty hard to compare the pair to work out who's better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Which non-related Headley qualifies Dean to be in there?
    Yeah my bad. I had forgotten about the connection with George so I've added Tom Richardson.

    Debating whether Paul Adams should be there if Jimmy was better to replace Funky.

    Flametree's XI is great how he's clearly chosen an altnerative to an ATG while many of my players were very close in standard to the player I decided was better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    From my memory he was a relatively poor keeper, and my opinion regarding Wasim is well known. Most over rated cricketer imho
    Flower was always a good keeper, he might not be in same league as Healy,Knott & Latif's but was as good as Gilchrist if not better.And Was without any doubt is best left arm bowler ever if not best bowler ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    One of these things is not like the other
    One of these things just doesn't belong..
    and what exactly is that thing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post


    Fixed.
    Bradman was great captain for sure but Imran was better IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4G View Post
    Flower was always a good keeper, he might not be in same league as Healy,Knott & Latif's but was as good as Gilchrist if not better.
    Nah I couldn't disagree with this more.

    I think Flower was actually fairly comfortably better than Gilchrist as a batsman but he wasn't a Test standard gloveman. He kept for Zimbabwe for the sake of balance for the lack of other alternatives. The fact that Taibu got a shot so early while Flower was still playing, despite being a nothing batsman at the time, says a lot about Flower's keeping. I'd probably sooner pick de Villiers to keep in my side than Flower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Nah I couldn't disagree with this more.

    I think Flower was actually fairly comfortably better than Gilchrist as a batsman but he wasn't a Test standard gloveman. He kept for Zimbabwe for the sake of balance for the lack of other alternatives. The fact that Taibu got a shot so early while Flower was still playing, despite being a nothing batsman at the time, says a lot about Flower's keeping. I'd probably sooner pick de Villiers to keep in my side than Flower.
    Taibu had got a chance because Flower gave up keeping because he was getting older & wanted to concentrate on his batting alone.I rexpect your opions but personally I rate him him very highly as a batsman & that his wicket keeping skills were good enough.Thats why I would always have him in my greatest XIs doing the job of keeper.

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    ATG Wicketkeeper Team

    01. Farokh Engineer
    02. Alec Stewart
    03. Kumar Sangakkara
    04. Clyde Walcott
    05. Andy Flower
    06. Adam Gilchrist
    07. Alan Knott+
    08. Bowler
    09. Bowler
    10. Bowler
    11. Bowler
    Len Hutton - Jack Hobbs - Ted Dexter - Peter May - Walter Hammond - Frank Woolley - Ian Botham - Alan Knott - Hedley Verity - John Snow - Fred Trueman

    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    ATG Wicketkeeper Team

    01. Farokh Engineer
    02. Alec Stewart
    03. Kumar Sangakkara
    04. Clyde Walcott
    05. Andy Flower
    06. Adam Gilchrist
    07. Alan Knott+
    08. Bowler
    09. Bowler
    10. Bowler
    11. Bowler
    You tanked out on the funnest part. Zohrer and Taibu are certs as bowlers. Dhoni and de Villiers bowl handy medium pace.. can we count Andrew Hall as a wicket keeper? Dilshan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4G View Post
    Flower was always a good keeper, he might not be in same league as Healy,Knott & Latif's but was as good as Gilchrist if not better.
    Giclhrist was far better as a keeper... I think Flower was a slightly better batsman than him, but keeping wise, it's not really that close. Flower was a great batsman who kept for the sake of team balance... kind of like Dravid... he was surely better with the gloves than Dravid , but you know what I mean... he was quite untidy to be honest.

    Why is Gilchrist's keeping so underrated? He was such an awesome batsman that people automatically think his keeping wasn't great? The reason he is almost a certainty in most All Time XIs is because he was a very, very good wicketkeeper in addition to his superb batting. He grabbed almost everything that came his way and kept to Warne brilliantly as well, which is very difficult to do

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    Gilchrist was a genuine Test class keeper. Flower was not a keeper at all. You could put him in a best of three arm-wrestling contest with Alex Stewart to see who was worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumbinfront View Post
    B.Richards
    L.Hutton
    J.Kallis
    S.Tendulkar
    B.Lara
    R.Ponting
    A.Knott
    D.Steyn
    W.Akram
    M.Murali
    G.McGrath

    Bradman obv is a big difference as is Gilly. Didn't want to go for FTBs so went for Knott. Bradman aside it is close. I'd say my fast bowling is arguably stronger (only slightly) and the spinners cancel each other out. The batting is where you have an edge. Leave Bradman aside, it's very close there too although obviously Gilly is far superior to Knott as a batsman (inferior keeper though, relatively speaking).
    My batting is stronger even without Bradman. It bats down pretty much to number 11 and bowling is probably better as well.

    hadlee > Steyn
    MArshall >= McGrath
    Imran > Wasim
    Warne = Murali
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    My batting is stronger even without Bradman. It bats down pretty much to number 11 and bowling is probably better as well.

    hadlee > Steyn
    MArshall >= McGrath
    Imran > Wasim
    Warne = Murali
    Well you're obviously going to think your own side is better given you straight up picked what you consider to be an ATWXI. It goes without saying that no-one will be able to name a team you consider better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
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    Is that a crustacean possessed by the devil or something?


    Please feel free someone to finish the Wicketkeeper XI. The topic of Bowling Wicketkeepers is not my forte.



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