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    I can't think who 'Andrew' was, but I wouldn't say that Bob Taylor was a better than Knott. They were at least on a par.
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    All Rounders ATXI

    Wilfred Rhodes | Charles Macartney | Jacques Kallis | Garry Sobers | Aubrey Faulkner | Keith Miller* | Adam Gilchrist +| Ian Botham | Imran Khan | Mike Procter | Richard Hadlee

    I was confused between Trevor Goddard and Wilfred Rhodes? I wanted the best spin all rounder, and I assumed Rhodes was better. Anybody know more about him? WG Grace, Eddie Barlow, Kapil Dev, Clive Rice, Shaun Pollock, Shane Watson, Freddie Flintoff, Tony Greig, Mushtaq Mohammad and Vinoo Mankad come the closest. Not counting Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson as all rounders. Better openers, anybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    All Rounders ATXI

    Wilfred Rhodes | Charles Macartney | Jacques Kallis | Garry Sobers | Aubrey Faulkner | Keith Miller* | Adam Gilchrist +| Ian Botham | Imran Khan | Mike Procter | Richard Hadlee

    I was confused between Trevor Goddard and Wilfred Rhodes? I wanted the best spin all rounder, and I assumed Rhodes was better. Anybody know more about him? WG Grace, Eddie Barlow, Kapil Dev, Clive Rice, Shaun Pollock, Shane Watson, Freddie Flintoff, Tony Greig, Mushtaq Mohammad and Vinoo Mankad come the closest. Not counting Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson as all rounders. Better openers, anybody?
    As strange as it sounds, Wilfred Rhodes was not a true allrounder. When he became a specialist batsman he more-or-less gave up bowling. Although obviously, there must have been a transitional stage where he was competent at both disciplines. However, the greatest of Rhodes is derived exclusively from his bowling skills, not batting.

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    All-round XI
    1. Wilfred Rhodes
    2. Trevor Goddard
    3. Garfield Sobers
    4. Jacques Kallis
    5. Keith Miller
    6. Aubrey Faulkner
    7. Adam Gilchrist †
    8. Mike Procter
    9. Imran Khan
    10. Richard Hadlee
    11. Alan Davidson

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    Incidently, Wildred Rhodes averaged 36.72 (2 centuries) when opening the innings.

    Otherwise 23.13 (2 fifties).

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    Need Trevor Goddard. Not sure if Charles Macartney qualifies as an allrounder with just 45 wickets in 35 matches.

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    Frank Woolley stiff to miss out tbh.
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    Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI?

    1. Trevor Goddard (6)
    2. Jack Gregory (5)
    3. Jaques Kallis (10)
    4. Garry Sobers (9)
    5. Keith Miller (c) (3)
    6. Ian Botham (8)
    7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
    8. Richie Benaud (7)
    9. Imran Khan (2)
    10. Richard Hadlee (1)
    11. Alan Davidson (4)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI?

    1. Trevor Goddard (6)
    2. Jack Gregory (5)
    3. Jaques Kallis (10)
    4. Garry Sobers (9)
    5. Keith Miller (c) (3)
    6. Ian Botham (8)
    7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
    8. Richie Benaud (7)
    9. Imran Khan (2)
    10. Richard Hadlee (1)
    11. Alan Davidson (4)
    I suppose that if Davidson is classed as an allrounder then Richie should be too.

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    01. Farokh Enginner+
    02. Trevor Goddard
    03. Jaques Kallis
    04. Garfield Sobers
    05. Aubrey Faulkner
    06. Frank Woolley
    07. Keith Miller
    08. Mike Proctor
    09. Imran Khan*
    10. Richie Benaud
    11. Richard Hadlee

    Engineer was a regular opening batsman for India from 1965 to 1975 so he slots nicely into the No.1 spot.

    Also, I like a balanced attack so I've included 3 spinners, or 4 if you count Sobers
    Last edited by watson; 11-09-2012 at 02:54 AM.

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    Not sure if we are any closer to a consensus on any of the XI's, but in what order do we rate the different teams so far?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    cannot believe Kapil Dev Nikhanj is not there in the allrounders XI..Man had the best record against the best team of the era or may be forever..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Not sure if we are any closer to a consensus on any of the XI's, but in what order do we rate the different teams so far?
    1 Australia
    2 West Indies
    3 England


    The gap is marginal. If no Don, Australia wouldn't be first. In fact I think we'd be third if he was replaced by a Ponting/McCabe/Waugh/Harvey (whoever is next) type.

    South Africa, Pakistan and India are next but I haven't worked out the order quite yet, but it's probably the order I've named them.

    New Zealand in seventh, followed by Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI?

    1. Trevor Goddard (6)
    2. Jack Gregory (5)
    3. Jaques Kallis (10)
    4. Garry Sobers (9)
    5. Keith Miller (c) (3)
    6. Ian Botham (8)
    7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
    8. Richie Benaud (7)
    9. Imran Khan (2)
    10. Richard Hadlee (1)
    11. Alan Davidson (4)
    Great team Monk. Two things though. What about Eddie Barlow ahead of Goddard, and Charles Macartney ahead of Gregory? Benaud is a great addition here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    1 Australia
    2 West Indies
    3 England


    The gap is marginal. If no Don, Australia wouldn't be first. In fact I think we'd be third if he was replaced by a Ponting/McCabe/Waugh/Harvey (whoever is next) type.

    South Africa, Pakistan and India are next but I haven't worked out the order quite yet, but it's probably the order I've named them.

    New Zealand in seventh, followed by Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.
    I think that it is too close to call for the top spot, but for the rest

    1) Australia
    1a) West Indies

    3) South Africa

    4) England
    5) Pakistan

    6) India

    7) Sri Lanka
    7a) New Zealand



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