The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 13

smalishah84 · 10-09-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by watson

I can't think who 'Andrew' was, but I wouldn't say that Bob Taylor was a better than Knott. They were at least on a par.

awta

harsh.skm · 10-09-2012, 09:19 PM

All Rounders ATXI

Wilfred Rhodes | Charles Macartney | Jacques Kallis | Garry Sobers | Aubrey Faulkner | Keith Miller* | Adam Gilchrist +| Ian Botham | Imran Khan | Mike Procter | Richard Hadlee

I was confused between Trevor Goddard and Wilfred Rhodes? I wanted the best spin all rounder, and I assumed Rhodes was better. Anybody know more about him? WG Grace, Eddie Barlow, Kapil Dev, Clive Rice, Shaun Pollock, Shane Watson, Freddie Flintoff, Tony Greig, Mushtaq Mohammad and Vinoo Mankad come the closest. Not counting Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson as all rounders. Better openers, anybody?

watson · 10-09-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by harsh.skm

All Rounders ATXI

Wilfred Rhodes | Charles Macartney | Jacques Kallis | Garry Sobers | Aubrey Faulkner | Keith Miller* | Adam Gilchrist +| Ian Botham | Imran Khan | Mike Procter | Richard Hadlee

I was confused between Trevor Goddard and Wilfred Rhodes? I wanted the best spin all rounder, and I assumed Rhodes was better. Anybody know more about him? WG Grace, Eddie Barlow, Kapil Dev, Clive Rice, Shaun Pollock, Shane Watson, Freddie Flintoff, Tony Greig, Mushtaq Mohammad and Vinoo Mankad come the closest. Not counting Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson as all rounders. Better openers, anybody?

As strange as it sounds, Wilfred Rhodes was not a true allrounder. When he became a specialist batsman he more-or-less gave up bowling. Although obviously, there must have been a transitional stage where he was competent at both disciplines. However, the greatest of Rhodes is derived exclusively from his bowling skills, not batting.

Jager · 10-09-2012, 09:40 PM

All-round XI
1. Wilfred Rhodes
2. Trevor Goddard
3. Garfield Sobers
4. Jacques Kallis
5. Keith Miller
6. Aubrey Faulkner
7. Adam Gilchrist †
8. Mike Procter
9. Imran Khan
10. Richard Hadlee
11. Alan Davidson

Who takes the new ball!? Argh!

watson · 10-09-2012, 09:53 PM

Incidently, Wildred Rhodes averaged 36.72 (2 centuries) when opening the innings.

Otherwise 23.13 (2 fifties).

8ankitj · 10-09-2012, 11:20 PM

Need Trevor Goddard. Not sure if Charles Macartney qualifies as an allrounder with just 45 wickets in 35 matches.

LongHopCassidy · 10-09-2012, 11:21 PM

Frank Woolley stiff to miss out tbh.

Monk · 11-09-2012, 02:21 AM

Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI?

1. Trevor Goddard (6)
2. Jack Gregory (5)
3. Jaques Kallis (10)
4. Garry Sobers (9)
5. Keith Miller (c) (3)
6. Ian Botham (8)
7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8. Richie Benaud (7)
9. Imran Khan (2)
10. Richard Hadlee (1)
11. Alan Davidson (4)

watson · 11-09-2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Monk

Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI?

1. Trevor Goddard (6)
2. Jack Gregory (5)
3. Jaques Kallis (10)
4. Garry Sobers (9)
5. Keith Miller (c) (3)
6. Ian Botham (8)
7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8. Richie Benaud (7)
9. Imran Khan (2)
10. Richard Hadlee (1)
11. Alan Davidson (4)

I suppose that if Davidson is classed as an allrounder then Richie should be too.

watson · 11-09-2012, 02:53 AM

01. Farokh Enginner+
02. Trevor Goddard
03. Jaques Kallis
04. Garfield Sobers
05. Aubrey Faulkner
06. Frank Woolley
07. Keith Miller
08. Mike Proctor
09. Imran Khan*
10. Richie Benaud
11. Richard Hadlee

Engineer was a regular opening batsman for India from 1965 to 1975 so he slots nicely into the No.1 spot.

Also, I like a balanced attack so I've included 3 spinners, or 4 if you count Sobers

kyear2 · 11-09-2012, 07:30 PM

Not sure if we are any closer to a consensus on any of the XI's, but in what order do we rate the different teams so far?

doesitmatter · 11-09-2012, 07:37 PM

cannot believe Kapil Dev Nikhanj is not there in the allrounders XI..Man had the best record against the best team of the era or may be forever..

NUFAN · 11-09-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kyear2

Not sure if we are any closer to a consensus on any of the XI's, but in what order do we rate the different teams so far?

1 Australia
2 West Indies
3 England

The gap is marginal. If no Don, Australia wouldn't be first. In fact I think we'd be third if he was replaced by a Ponting/McCabe/Waugh/Harvey (whoever is next) type.

South Africa, Pakistan and India are next but I haven't worked out the order quite yet, but it's probably the order I've named them.

New Zealand in seventh, followed by Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

harsh.skm · 11-09-2012, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk

Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI?

1. Trevor Goddard (6)
2. Jack Gregory (5)
3. Jaques Kallis (10)
4. Garry Sobers (9)
5. Keith Miller (c) (3)
6. Ian Botham (8)
7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8. Richie Benaud (7)
9. Imran Khan (2)
10. Richard Hadlee (1)
11. Alan Davidson (4)

Great team Monk. Two things though. What about Eddie Barlow ahead of Goddard, and Charles Macartney ahead of Gregory? Benaud is a great addition here.

kyear2 · 11-09-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NUFAN

1 Australia
2 West Indies
3 England

The gap is marginal. If no Don, Australia wouldn't be first. In fact I think we'd be third if he was replaced by a Ponting/McCabe/Waugh/Harvey (whoever is next) type.

South Africa, Pakistan and India are next but I haven't worked out the order quite yet, but it's probably the order I've named them.

New Zealand in seventh, followed by Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

I think that it is too close to call for the top spot, but for the rest

1) Australia
1a) West Indies

3) South Africa

4) England
5) Pakistan

6) India

7) Sri Lanka
7a) New Zealand

10-09-2012, 09:40 PM	#184 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	All-round XI 1. Wilfred Rhodes 2. Trevor Goddard 3. Garfield Sobers 4. Jacques Kallis 5. Keith Miller 6. Aubrey Faulkner 7. Adam Gilchrist † 8. Mike Procter 9. Imran Khan 10. Richard Hadlee 11. Alan Davidson Who takes the new ball!? Argh! __________________ Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

11-09-2012, 02:53 AM	#190 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,671	01. Farokh Enginner+ 02. Trevor Goddard 03. Jaques Kallis 04. Garfield Sobers 05. Aubrey Faulkner 06. Frank Woolley 07. Keith Miller 08. Mike Proctor 09. Imran Khan* 10. Richie Benaud 11. Richard Hadlee Engineer was a regular opening batsman for India from 1965 to 1975 so he slots nicely into the No.1 spot. Also, I like a balanced attack so I've included 3 spinners, or 4 if you count Sobers Last edited by watson; 11-09-2012 at 02:54 AM.

11-09-2012, 07:30 PM	#191 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,500	Not sure if we are any closer to a consensus on any of the XI's, but in what order do we rate the different teams so far? __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes

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10-09-2012, 09:19 PM	#182 (permalink)
harsh.skm U19 Captain Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: India Posts: 640	All Rounders ATXI Wilfred Rhodes \| Charles Macartney \| Jacques Kallis \| Garry Sobers \| Aubrey Faulkner \| Keith Miller* \| Adam Gilchrist +\| Ian Botham \| Imran Khan \| Mike Procter \| Richard Hadlee I was confused between Trevor Goddard and Wilfred Rhodes? I wanted the best spin all rounder, and I assumed Rhodes was better. Anybody know more about him? WG Grace, Eddie Barlow, Kapil Dev, Clive Rice, Shaun Pollock, Shane Watson, Freddie Flintoff, Tony Greig, Mushtaq Mohammad and Vinoo Mankad come the closest. Not counting Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson as all rounders. Better openers, anybody?

10-09-2012, 09:53 PM	#185 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,671	Incidently, Wildred Rhodes averaged 36.72 (2 centuries) when opening the innings. Otherwise 23.13 (2 fifties).

10-09-2012, 11:20 PM	#186 (permalink)
8ankitj International Captain Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hyderabad India Posts: 5,148	Need Trevor Goddard. Not sure if Charles Macartney qualifies as an allrounder with just 45 wickets in 35 matches.

11-09-2012, 02:21 AM	#188 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	Benaud as a spinner in the all rounders XI? 1. Trevor Goddard (6) 2. Jack Gregory (5) 3. Jaques Kallis (10) 4. Garry Sobers (9) 5. Keith Miller (c) (3) 6. Ian Botham (8) 7. Adam Gilchrist (wk) 8. Richie Benaud (7) 9. Imran Khan (2) 10. Richard Hadlee (1) 11. Alan Davidson (4)

11-09-2012, 07:37 PM	#192 (permalink)
doesitmatter U19 Debutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 376	cannot believe Kapil Dev Nikhanj is not there in the allrounders XI..Man had the best record against the best team of the era or may be forever..

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