The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[bagapath]

Just as an exercise, which fast bowling combo of the two would you prefer?

A - McGrath, Ambrose and Wasim
B - Steyn, Donald and Waqar

A.

Steyn and Waqar have high ER. That always bothers me a bit.

Love Ambrose. And him bowling in tandem with Akram is good enough for me.

 

[harsh.ag]

A.

Steyn and Waqar have high ER. That always bothers me a bit.

Love Ambrose. And him bowling in tandem with Akram is good enough for me.

But isn't that countered by their low SR? I took A too, but B would be an extremely attacking attack. May even rattle opposition line-ups more than the greats in A,

 

[kyear2]

See what you are getting at here, s/r vs e/r. The fact though that Ambrose and McGrath out classes Donald and Waqar still means that I will also go with A.

 

[smash84]

But isn't that countered by their low SR? I took A too, but B would be an extremely attacking attack. May even rattle opposition line-ups more than the greats in A,

Now if it was picking between attacks at their respective peaks. That would make it much more interesting. Right now attack A easily trumps B

 

[The Battlers Prince]

I think he was. Deliberately didn't hit the ball in the air to minimise his risk of getting out. I know he was attacking and scored quickly, but I think he played the percentages, just better than anyone else.

You are dead right he was conservative in hitting along the ground but his aggressiveness and scoring rate weren't diminished. My point being that other batsmen chose to hit in the air but leave balls that Bradman may have still taken runs from. It was still aggressive and perhaps not conservative in that sense.

 

[harsh.ag]

Representative of all modern eras ATXI

1880-00 era: Dr WG Grace
1900-1915 era: Sydney Barnes
1910-1930 era: Sir Jack Hobbs
1930-50 era: Sir Donald Bradman
1945-60 era: Sir Len Hutton
1960-75 era: Sir Garfield Sobers
1975-85 era: Sir Vivian Richards
1985-92 era: Malcolm Marshall
1992-00 era: Shane Warne
2000-07 era: Adam Gilchrist
2007-present era: Dale Steyn

So the team becomes:

Hobbs | Hutton | Bradman | Viv | Grace | Sobers | Gilly | Marshall | Warne | Steyn | Barnes

Care to further this??

 

[bagapath]

1880-00 era: Spofforth
1900-1915 era: Trumper
1910-1930 era: Sutcliffe
1930-50 era: Hammond
1945-60 era: Miller
1960-75 era: Barrington
1975-85 era: Imran
1985-92 era: Hadlee
1992-00 era: A. Flower
2000-07 era: Murali
2007-present era: Kallis

The team is....

Trumper
Sutcliffe
Barrington
Kallis
Hammond
A. Flower +
Miller
Imran
Hadlee
Spofforth
Murali

 

[Howe_zat]

Representative of all modern eras ATXI

1880-00 era: Dr WG Grace
1900-1915 era: Sydney Barnes
1910-1930 era: Sir Jack Hobbs
1930-50 era: Sir Donald Bradman
1945-60 era: Sir Len Hutton
1960-75 era: Sir Garfield Sobers
1975-85 era: Sir Vivian Richards
1985-92 era: Malcolm Marshall
1992-00 era: Shane Warne
2000-07 era: Adam Gilchrist
2007-present era: Dale Steyn

So the team becomes:

Hobbs | Hutton | Bradman | Viv | Grace | Sobers | Gilly | Marshall | Warne | Steyn | Barnes

Care to further this??

Seems a bit weird to pick four players from the last 25 years when you're trying to get a team from across time. How did you pick your dates?

 

[honestbharani]

Seems a bit weird to pick four players from the last 25 years when you're trying to get a team from across time. How did you pick your dates?

We should do a team based on players who have played each 100 tests in international cricket or something like that.. It is an half assed idea I just now had as I opened this thread.. But maybe someone with better follow up skills can take it up


What I meant was the latest Ashes test was test # 2094.. So say we can pick one player each from the first 200 tests, next 200 and so on.. How will the team look? We can pick the 11th player from the latest 94..

 

[Howe_zat]

Well in that case we get

1. Up to December 1930
2. January 1931 - February 1955
3. February 1955 - December 1965
4. January 1966 - February 1977
5. February 1977 - October 1984
6. November 1984 - July 1992
7. July 1992 - December 1997
8. December 1997 - February 2002
9. February 2002 - March 2006
10. March 2006 - July 2011
11. July 2011 on

So if I were to pick a best player from each of those periods I'd probably go

1. Jack Hobbs (1)
2. Don Bradman (2)
3. Ricky Ponting (9)
5. Sachin Tendulkar (8)
5. Viv Richards (5)
6. Garry Sobers (3)
7. Jacques Kallis (10)
8. Alan Knott (4)
9. Malcolm Marshall (6)
10. Shane Warne (7)
11. Dale Steyn (11)

Yeah I got most of the way to the end before discovering I needed bowlers. Cbf to fix it though

 

[bagapath]

I love this...

Let me try again...

1. Up to December 1930: Sid Barnes
2. January 1931 - February 1955: Tiger O'Reilly
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Fred Trueman
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Sunil Gavaskar
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Greg Chappell
6. November 1984 - July 1992: Imran Khan
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Curtley Ambrose
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Brian Lara
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Matthew Hayden
10. March 2006 - July 2011: Adam Gilchrist
11. July 2011 on: AB De Villiers

Gavaskar
Hayden
Lara
G.Chappell
De Villiers
Imran
Gilchrist +
Trueman
Ambrose
Barnes
O'Reilly

 

[Howe_zat]

Nah that's a cheat for Gilchrist. Averaged 30 after 2005 and retired in 2008. Be better off making De Vil keep seeing as you're picking him for the last two years anyway.

 

[harsh.ag]

Seems a bit weird to pick four players from the last 25 years when you're trying to get a team from across time. How did you pick your dates?

Kind of extrapolated it from:

a) The retirement/decline of a certain set of players or rise of a certain set of players; and
b) The number of tests played increasing with time, so shorter eras later on

 

[honestbharani]

Think everyone should give that idea a whirl..


I love this...

Let me try again...

1. Up to December 1930: Jack Hobbs
2. January 1931 - February 1955: Don Bradman
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Gary Sobers
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Dennis Lillee
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Joel Garner
6. November 1984 - July 1992 : Wasim Akram
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Muttiah Muralitharan
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Brian Lara
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Sachin Tendulkar
10. March 2006 - July 2011: Graeme Smith
11. July 2011 on: AB De Villiers



Team is:


Jack Hobbs
Graeme Smith
Don Bradman (c)
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Gary Sobers
AB De Villiers (wk)
Wasim Akram
Dennis Lillee
Joel Garner
Muttiah Muralitharan

Gavaskar
Hayden
Lara
G.Chappell
De Villiers
Imran
Gilchrist +
Trueman
Ambrose
Barnes
O'Reilly

 

[smash84]

Think everyone should give that idea a whirl..


I love this...

Let me try again...

1. Up to December 1930: Jack Hobbs
2. January 1931 - February 1955: Don Bradman
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Gary Sobers
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Dennis Lillee
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Joel Garner
6. November 1984 - July 1992 : Wasim Akram
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Muttiah Muralitharan
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Brian Lara
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Sachin Tendulkar
10. March 2006 - July 2011: Graeme Smith
11. July 2011 on: AB De Villiers



Team is:


Jack Hobbs
Graeme Smith
Don Bradman (c)
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Gary Sobers
AB De Villiers (wk)
Wasim Akram
Dennis Lillee
Joel Garner
Muttiah Muralitharan

I think that you will find Hadlee Imran and Marshall all doing better than Wasim in the period 1984-1992

 

[honestbharani]

I think that you will find Hadlee Imran and Marshall all doing better than Wasim in the period 1984-1992

I know your Imran love cannot take this, but I actually wanted some variety in the bowling line up.. What is the fun in just picking the best XI.. It is more fun when you start factoring in things like how varied the bowling attack could be without compromising too much on quality and things like that..

 

[smash84]

haha.......fair enough

 

[Saint Kopite]

I know this isn't the right thread for it but I need some help.

I need a list of six to seven stadiums which would assist swing bowling but won't generate a lot of bounce.

Thanks.

 

[Saint Kopite]

I know this isn't the right thread for it but I need some help.

I need a list of six to seven stadiums which would assist swing bowling but won't generate a lot of bounce.

Thanks.

Any help?

 

[smash84]

A lot of the English stadiums would fall into this category since swing is primarily due to atmospheric conditions.

For more info why don't you make a separate thread for this?