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    1984 West Indian that faced Australia was pretty handy as well.

    Gordon Greenidge
    Desmond Haynes
    Richie Richardson
    Larry Gomes
    IVA Richards
    Clive Lloyd
    Jeffrey Dujon
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Joel Garner
    Courtney Walsh

    Eight possible ATG's in that team.
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Got to be asked. If you had a lazy grand, who would you put your money on to win a 6-Test series? That is, 3 in Australia and 3 in the West Indies;

    Bradman's 1948 Team, or Lloyd's 1984 Team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Got to be asked. If you had a lazy grand, who would you put your money on to win a 6-Test series? That is, 3 in Australia and 3 in the West Indies;

    Bradman's 1948 Team, or Lloyd's 1984 Team?
    Lloyd's team, fo' shizzles.
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    Which of the two teams would win in a face-off:

    Team 1: Sutcliffe | Greenidge | Don | Miandad | Waugh, Steve | Flower + | Miller | Holding | Laker | Larwood | Barnes

    Team 2: Barry | Trumper | Viv | Harvey, Neil | Kallis | Sobers | Knott + | Procter | Garner | O'Reilly | Steyn |


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    1984 West Indian that faced Australia was pretty handy as well.

    Gordon Greenidge
    Desmond Haynes
    Richie Richardson
    Larry Gomes
    IVA Richards
    Clive Richards
    Jeffrey Dujon
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Joel Garner
    Courtney Walsh

    Eight possible ATG's in that team.
    Never heard of Clive Richards, was he any good? Anyway just give the edge to the 48 team. Just.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Sid Barnes
    Arthur Morris
    Don Bradman *
    Lindsay Hassett
    Keith Miller
    Neil Harvey
    Sam Loxton
    Ray Lindwall
    Don Tallon +
    Doug Ring
    Bill Johnston

    Gordon Greenidge
    Desmond Haynes
    Richie Richardson
    Larry Gomes
    IVA Richards
    Clive Lloyd *
    Jeffrey Dujon +
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Joel Garner
    Courtney Walsh

    Really close, none of the games would end in a draw with these two bowling attacks, and for me the '84 attack is just a little bit better. Bottom line Marshall was in his prime and absolute best, Bradman no longer was.
    Are we using the new ball every 55 overs or '84 rules?
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    You can't say Bradman wasn't at his best, he actually averaged around 90 in the first half of his career, and 110 in the latter half of his career, and even after WWII, averaged over 100. I'd say the 48 team has a bit of a batting edge though. Would have Harvey at 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Sid Barnes
    Arthur Morris
    Don Bradman *
    Lindsay Hassett
    Keith Miller
    Neil Harvey
    Sam Loxton
    Ray Lindwall
    Don Tallon +
    Doug Ring
    Bill Johnston

    Gordon Greenidge
    Desmond Haynes
    Richie Richardson
    Larry Gomes
    IVA Richards
    Clive Lloyd *
    Jeffrey Dujon +
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Joel Garner
    Courtney Walsh

    Really close, none of the games would end in a draw with these two bowling attacks, and for me the '84 attack is just a little bit better. Bottom line Marshall was in his prime and absolute best, Bradman no longer was.
    Are we using the new ball every 55 overs or '84 rules?
    That's an interesting point. If the West Indies fast-bowling line-up is getting a new ball every 55 x 8-ball overs (73 x 6-ball overs) then you'd have to favour Lloyd's team slightly I think.

    So to even things up - let's assume that the 6 Test series will be played using 2013 rules and 2013 equipment (body armour).

    Who would win now?

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    the problem with running into an AT Aussie XI is that it has Bradman in it and assuming that all players will be performing at their best then it kind of gives the Aussies an extra batsman and add Gilchrist to the fray and you almost get 2 extra batsmen when playing against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    That's an interesting point. If the West Indies fast-bowling line-up is getting a new ball every 55 x 8-ball overs (73 x 6-ball overs) then you'd have to favour Lloyd's team slightly I think.

    So to even things up - let's assume that the 6 Test series will be played using 2013 rules and 2013 equipment (body armour).

    Who would win now?
    Assuming we are using most of todays dead pitches as well? Probably a drawn series.
    We assume that Bradman et al would use "body armour", but Viv has access to helmets, arm guards ect and never used them and he faced the best of his and most any other eras either in test or first class/county cricket and he never needed them.
    Additionally Marshall and Ambrose played their entire careers after WSC that intoduced helmets and "body armour" to the game, never slowed them down much. MM still scared the daylight out of people.
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    Lindwall and Miller were no slouches with the ball either.

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    Never intimated that they were.

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    I'd like to question the orthodoxy that makes Adam Gilchrist the first choice keeper for the bulk of people who select ATG World teams.

    From what I can gather, the majority opinion in cricketing literature is that Alan Knott is the best wicket-keeper of all time. In terms of pure skill he is the 'doyen' of the art - as Dickie Bird puts it.

    I'm sure that Adam Gilchrist was an excellent gloveman, but still not quite up to the standard of Alan Knott. Gilchrist was a better batsman, but I would suggest not that much better. Knott's ability to cope with a battery of Australian and West Indian fast bowlers during the 1970s was better than many top-order batsman of the time. Mike Brearley called Knott a 'genius' for good reason.

    There is also the point that the batsmanship of Gilchrist becomes less important, and kind of redundant, with Sobers batting at No.6, and either Imran or Marshall at No.8.

    Therefore, I propose that Alan Knott should be the first choice keeper in an ATG World XI because each position in an ATG team should be represented by the best. And Knott was the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post


    Therefore, I propose that Alan Knott should be the first choice keeper in an ATG World XI because each position in an ATG team should be represented by the best. And Knott was the best.
    No disagreement here

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    Isn't it comparable to Imran being included? Most would not consider Imran the third best fast bowler, but he is the best combination of bowler and batsman to fill the number eight slot. Similarily Gilly is the best combination of batting and wicket keeping skill, where the defecit in wicket keeping skill is relatively neglegible while being a potential game changer/ match winner batting at 7.

    No problem though if someone prefers Knott for the spot. He is certainly worthy.
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