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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    S.C XI

    Sunil Gavaskar ^
    Vijay Merchant
    Kumar Sangakkara ^
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Javed Miandad ^
    Mushtaq Mohammad (5)
    Farokh Engineer
    Imran Khan (2) *
    Wasim Akram (3)
    Waqar Younis (1)
    Muttiah Muralitharan (5)

    ROW XI

    Barry Richards
    Gordon Greenidge
    George Headley
    Viv Richards ^
    Brian Lara ^
    Garry Sobers (5) ^ *
    Clyde Walcott +
    Richard Hadlee (3)
    Malcolm Marshall (1)
    Hugh Tayfield (4)
    Curtly Ambrose (2)

    Who wins?
    ROW wins from your teams.

    SC XI

    Gavaskar | Sehwag | Dravid | Sachin | Miandad | Sangakkara (w) | Imran | Wasim | Bedi/Kumble | Murali | Waqar |

    ROW XI

    Barry | Headley | Viv | Pollock | Lara | Sobers | Waite (w) | Hadlee | Marshall | Tayfield | Ambrose

    Still ROW wins
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    How about Garner/Holding over Tayfield?
    1st XI
    Hutton | Hobbs | Bradman* | Richards^ | Tendulkar | Sobers5^ | Gilchrist+ | Khan3 | Marshall1 | Warne4^ | McGrath2
    2nd XI
    Sutcliffe | Gavaskar* | Headley | Chappell^ | Lara^ | Kallis5^ | Knott+ | Hadlee3 | Ambrose2 | Lillee1 | Muralitharan4
    3rd XI
    Greenidge | Richards^ | Ponting^ | Pollock | Hammond^ | Worrell5* | Waite+ | Akram3 | Steyn1 | Holding2 | O'Reilly4
    4th XI
    Morris | Simpson^ | Sangakkara | Weekes^ | Border*^ | Walcott+ | Faulkner5 | Laker4 | Trueman1 | Garner3 | Donald2

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    1 Jack Hobbs
    2 Barry Richards
    3 Don Bradman
    4 Brian Lara
    5 Viv Richards
    6 Garry Sobers
    7 Adam Gilchrist
    8 Mike Procter
    9 Richard Hadlee
    10 Malcolm Marshall
    11 Shane Warne

    wasn't sure on lara ahead of tendulkar, chappell and pollock but he pipped the rest for his consistency across the world, ability to dominate, ability to bat long innings, ability to save the team and being one of the greatest against spin.

    hadlee was a toss up between him and waqar, donald or lillee but hadlee made it for being the better overall cricketer, an all time great fast bowler who can bat quite well, pretty much bowled well everywhere except in pakistan.

    warne like hadlee made it over murali due to his all around cricket on offer. one of if not the best spinner ever, can bat a bit and a great slipper.

    maybe swap procter for waqar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    Marshall, Ambrose and Hadlee best seam attack of the lot though I would say.

    Mushtaq Mohammad a little of of place as well, given the stature of the other players in these sides.
    Don't think Mushtaq is that out of place, average of 40 as a batsman and a good leg spinner with an average similar to the other specialist S.C leggies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    How about Garner/Holding over Tayfield?
    Nah, kyear,a spinner like Tayfield provides a whole new dimension to the attack that neither Holding, nor Garner can match.

    But I think you are wrong about having Mushtaq Mohammad in the side. If you want a spinner-allrounder, then Vinoo Mankad is a much better choice at the expense of Bedi or Kumble. Both Mushtaq and Vinoo bowled in 70 innings (57 tests for Mushtaq, and 44 tests for Vinoo), and Mushtaq fetched only 79 wickets compared to Vinoo's 162 wickets. Mushtaq was a better batsman, but I think Vinoo will add more to the side (he scored 2109 runs, averages 31.47 with 5 centuries, a highest of 231).

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    - G. Greenidge
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    - B. Lara
    - V. Richards
    - G. Sobers
    - A. Gilchrist
    - I. Khan
    - W. Akram
    - S. Warne
    - D. Lillee

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Nah, kyear,a spinner like Tayfield provides a whole new dimension to the attack that neither Holding, nor Garner can match.

    But I think you are wrong about having Mushtaq Mohammad in the side. If you want a spinner-allrounder, then Vinoo Mankad is a much better choice at the expense of Bedi or Kumble. Both Mushtaq and Vinoo bowled in 70 innings (57 tests for Mushtaq, and 44 tests for Vinoo), and Mushtaq fetched only 79 wickets compared to Vinoo's 162 wickets. Mushtaq was a better batsman, but I think Vinoo will add more to the side (he scored 2109 runs, averages 31.47 with 5 centuries, a highest of 231).
    But batting at 6 and doubling as the 5th bowler, I belive that your batting is your primary resposibility and thats why I went for the better batsman, but I can see your perspective as well.

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    If you are determined to pick an allrounder at 6 then I can see why you went with him, as I said though, I would personally just play the extra batsman.

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    Especially since Murali could hold down an end all day. Will give it some thought. Three good options regardless, Dravid, Mankad and Mushtaq.

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    I think Mushtaq is a very under-rated player and I certainly don't think he looks out of place in that eleven, but I think I'd go for a completely different balance. I'd give Sanga the gloves. Sangakkara was/is actually an excellent wicket keeper; the reason he doesn't keep is the fact that he's a much better batsman when he focuses on that alone. The overall batting of the Sri Lankan Test side is improved by replacing the worst batsman with another wicket keeper, pushing Sanga up the order and taking the gloves off him. Here, however, it's highly debatable whether he's actually better than Dravid as a batsman in the first place, so you don't lose anything in the batting by giving him the gloves; if fact the batting improves as he's a far better batsman even with the gloves than Engineer, and likely as good as wicket keeper (I say likely as I never actually saw Engineer keep, but I'm big fan of Sanga as a gloveman).

    Having the keeper at six opens up a new balance option; Imran can bat seven, Kapil can bat eight and another spinner (take your pick from any of the great Indian spinners) can come in for Waqar.

    1 Gavaskar
    2 Hanif/Merchant
    3 Dravid
    4 Tendulkar
    5 Miandad
    6 Sangakkara
    7 Imran
    8 Kapil
    9 Wasim
    10 Kumble/your choice of spinner
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    isn't Waqar a much better option than any of the other random spinners that you want to insert at 10?
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    He is, and also better than Dev.

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    I question all this talk of spin bowling all-rounders when Sir Ravi Jadeja gets no mention!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I think Mushtaq is a very under-rated player and I certainly don't think he looks out of place in that eleven, but I think I'd go for a completely different balance. I'd give Sanga the gloves. Sangakkara was/is actually an excellent wicket keeper; the reason he doesn't keep is the fact that he's a much better batsman when he focuses on that alone. The overall batting of the Sri Lankan Test side is improved by replacing the worst batsman with another wicket keeper, pushing Sanga up the order and taking the gloves off him. Here, however, it's highly debatable whether he's actually better than Dravid as a batsman in the first place, so you don't lose anything in the batting by giving him the gloves; if fact the batting improves as he's a far better batsman even with the gloves than Engineer, and likely as good as wicket keeper (I say likely as I never actually saw Engineer keep, but I'm big fan of Sanga as a gloveman).

    Having the keeper at six opens up a new balance option; Imran can bat seven, Kapil can bat eight and another spinner (take your pick from any of the great Indian spinners) can come in for Waqar.

    1 Gavaskar
    2 Hanif/Merchant
    3 Dravid
    4 Tendulkar
    5 Miandad
    6 Sangakkara
    7 Imran
    8 Kapil
    9 Wasim
    10 Kumble/your choice of spinner
    11 Murali
    Really don't see how what Kapil brings to a team with his batting is worth what you loose with his bowling compared to Waqar. Additionally Wasim is good enough to bat at 8. Personally I would probably go with Chandra as the second spinner and Merchand over Hanif.

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    I'd keep Kapil in the team. Adds a lot more than what people give him credit for. True match winner.

    I'd open with Engineer tbh, balances the side well.

    Gavaskar
    Engineer *
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Sangakkara
    Miandad
    Kapil Dev
    Imran Khan +
    Wasim
    Waqar
    Murali

    Team bats to 9. And that bowling attack, hell yeh.



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