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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I can't see anyone answering Team II tbh. Definitely looks like someone has picked Team I as an ATWXI and either the same person or someone else has picked Team II from the leftovers.
    Some might think that Team II's bowling is more dynamic.
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    There's no massive difference between the teams or anything, but the Bradman factor, and the fact team two is using Flower as keeper puts things in favour of team one.

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    No Imran in either

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Okay, who do you guys think would win a match played between the following two teams:

    Team I

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards

    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Graeme Pollock
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist (w)

    Malcolm Marshall
    Dennis Lillee
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn McGrath

    Team II

    Len Hutton
    George Headley

    Brian Lara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Greg Chappell
    Jacques Kallis
    Andy Flower (w)

    Richard Hadlee
    Wasim Akram
    Shane Warne
    Curtly Ambrose
    What about these sides?

    Team I

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards

    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Graeme Pollock
    Jacques Kallis
    Alan Knott (w)

    Malcolm Marshall
    Dennis Lillee
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn McGrath

    Team II

    Len Hutton
    George Headley

    Brian Lara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist (w)

    Richard Hadlee
    Wasim Akram
    Shane Warne
    Curtly Ambrose


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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    What about these sides?

    Team I

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards

    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Graeme Pollock
    Jacques Kallis
    Alan Knott (w)

    Malcolm Marshall
    Dennis Lillee
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn McGrath

    Team II

    Len Hutton
    George Headley

    Brian Lara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist (w)

    Richard Hadlee
    Wasim Akram
    Shane Warne
    Curtly Ambrose
    Get Imran in for Wasim and you've almost sold me with Team II. I can't quite stop myself from thinking Team I's batting will just have a significant edge with Bradman though.
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    This'd be my top two teams (today):


    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Don Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Viv Richards
    Garry Sobers
    Allan Knott
    Imran Khan
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Curtly Ambrose


    Gordon Greenidge
    Sunil Gavaskar
    George Headley
    Graham Pollock
    Wally Hammond
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Adam Gilchrist
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Bill O'Reilly
    Glenn McGrath
    Last edited by Red Hill; 25-03-2013 at 02:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    This'd be my top two teams (today):


    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Don Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Viv Richards
    Garry Sobers
    Allan Knott
    Imran Khan
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Curtly Ambrose


    Gordon Greenidge
    Sunil Gavaskar
    George Headley
    Graham Pollock
    Wally Hammond
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Adam Gilchrist
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Bill O'Reilly
    Glenn McGrath
    No Murali?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    No Murali?
    Rate leg spinners much higher than off spinners. Rate Warne and O'Reilly as better spinners than Murali anyhoo.

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    When we rank players, both batsmen and bowlers we tend to do so based so much on average, but should we. For bowlers, is average more important than strike rate or wpm? Even more importantly for batsmen actual runs scored per match and scoring rate should factor a lot more than simply batting average especially for those who hedge their batting average by batting slowly and accumulating not outs. Which is more indicative of actual production?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    When we rank players, both batsmen and bowlers we tend to do so based so much on average, but should we. For bowlers, is average more important than strike rate or wpm? Even more importantly for batsmen actual runs scored per match and scoring rate should factor a lot more than simply batting average especially for those who hedge their batting average by batting slowly and accumulating not outs. Which is more indicative of actual production?
    In 5 days of cricket the batting SR is not that significant a factor unless you are batting extremely slow.
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    In 5 days of cricket the batting SR is not that significant a factor unless you are batting extremely slow.
    I remember being very surprised when I first checked out Greg Chappell's SR and Tendulkar's SR. They were not high at all, but I never felt that they were slow players. I guess having a Bradman (aside from his average), or Barry Richards or Sehwag makes some difference though.

    All in all, I guess the old saying holds: If all else is equal, .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    When we rank players, both batsmen and bowlers we tend to do so based so much on average, but should we. For bowlers, is average more important than strike rate or wpm? Even more importantly for batsmen actual runs scored per match and scoring rate should factor a lot more than simply batting average especially for those who hedge their batting average by batting slowly and accumulating not outs. Which is more indicative of actual production?
    All stats, in isolation, are something of a blunt instrument, which is why we can have these debates without anyone being able to put forward a conclusive argument. Averages have stood the test of time, and over an entire career are the best starting point for First Class cricket without a doubt. Of course for limited overs cricket and, the more so, T20, they are rather less helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    I remember being very surprised when I first checked out Greg Chappell's SR and Tendulkar's SR. They were not high at all, but I never felt that they were slow players. I guess having a Bradman (aside from his average), or Barry Richards or Sehwag makes some difference though.

    All in all, I guess the old saying holds: If all else is equal, .....
    Spoke to some former W.I players and asked about Chappell in general, one said that while he was a great batsman, he would just be batting and nudging the ball, taking singles and twos and then you would look up and he was fifty. Of course he would put away the over pitched (bad) delivery, but he hardly played outside the V or took chances.
    Tendulkars s/r also surprised me, especially bating at four.

    I was mainly talking about Kallis and Chanderpaul, s/r in the 40's and both with more than 40 n.o's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Hobbs
    Grace
    Bradman
    Tendulkar
    Sobers
    Kallis
    Gilchrist (wk)
    Miller
    Imran (c)
    Hadlee
    Warne

    That number four position could have gone to one of many. Warne edges out Murali based on batting and fielding. In other news I really rate allrounders.

    If I wanted to make a side to face another world eleven, then knowing I'd be faced with some West Indian quicks, McGrath, Murali, Hammond, Lara, Ponting etc I'd like to bat down to 10 with allrounders and have about 10,000 bowling options including four ATG bowlers. I'd back the relative lack of batting and bowling depth in the other side to be their downfall because my team just keeps going.
    Still not sure on that number four position, but other than that I'm surprised by how much I still agree with this team considering how close it is at the top and I'm not very consistent. If I knew more about a few of the great South African allrounders I might be tempted but otherwise I think the above pretty much comprises the best 11 cricketers ever to take the field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Best eleven I've seen

    1. Matt Hayden
    2. Graeme Smith
    3. Ricky Ponting
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Brian Lara
    6. Jacques Kallis
    7. Adam Gilchrist
    8. Shane Warne
    9. Dale Steyn
    10. Muttiah Muralitharan
    11. Glenn McGrath
    I think Cook is very close to pushing out Haydos in that side, but I might be biased towards him because Cook's exploits are more recent in my mind.

    A random kiwi ATG eleven from me:

    Dempster
    Turner
    Sutcliffe
    Crowe (c)
    Donnelly
    J.R. Reid
    C. Cairns
    Hadlee
    Parore (wk)
    Bond
    Cowie

    Bruce Taylor, J.F. Reid and Ross Taylor all generally unlucky. Gloves could easily have gone to Smith or McCullum. I'm unsure how to rate McCullum due to him playing only half of his career as a keeper. If a match was played in the subcontinent Fleming would be the second batsman on the team sheet.

    It's pretty sad most of our best are long gone and known mostly for their County exploits due to crazy selection policies and us playing so few tests in the early days.

    And a current world eleven

    Cook
    Smith
    Amla
    Kallis
    Clarke
    Chanderpaul
    Prior
    Philander
    Steyn
    Ajmal
    Anderson or Pattinson

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    What would your ATG Ashes XI look like?

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Bradman*
    Hammond
    Chappell
    Miller
    Gilchrist +
    Warne
    Lillee
    Barnes
    McGrath

    Heavily Australian, but hey, can you blame me?



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