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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    mcgrath is an ATG
    I believe he was referring to Procter, though I've been wrong before.

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    Cribbles, if Procter gets marked down by the PEWsian method for playing not many Tests at one end of his career, why does WG not get the same brush? Both played exceptionally well at the highest level they could for many years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Cribbles, if Procter gets marked down by the PEWsian method for playing not many Tests at one end of his career, why does WG not get the same brush? Both played exceptionally well at the highest level they could for many years.
    Because during the life and time of Grace, English Domestic cricket was the highest standard of cricket, but such was not the case for Procter's time.
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    Yes, quite. Grace towered above his peers at what was regarded as the highest and most important level of cricket at the time; not just the highest level he was allowed to play personally.

    It'd be a bit like if we started a Martian colony and began playing Earth v Mars matches before expanding to other planets and establishing a Galactic Test Championship. It wouldn't suddenly make Tendulkar no longer an ATG for not having done anything at a level of cricket that didn't exist during his prime, but if it became the pinnacle of the game with national Tests being used as a feeder competition to it and we temporarily suspended Venus from it for a little while for political reasons, then Venutians during that period would be regarded as unlucky and nothing more.

    Procter was obviously a supremely talented cricketer who was unlucky not to have a greater opportunity at Test level to prove himself, but you could probably say that about lots of cricketers who we've never even heard of, robbed of the chance to even play First Class cricket for any number of reasons. Life gets in the way; it's funny like that.

    I don't actually have a problem with people calling Procter an all time great cricketer and I'd probably even do so myself, but when comparing him to other all time greats who actually proved themselves at the highest level of cricket throughout their primes he's going to be at the bottom of the pile for me. Was > could have been.
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    99% sure , procter cd hv bn the 2nd greatest AR of alltime
    for me , he is the greatest SA player ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    99% sure , procter cd hv bn the 2nd greatest AR of alltime
    for me , he is the greatest SA player ever
    Kallis says hello!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Kallis says hello!
    procter > g.pollock >= barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
    imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    procter > g.pollock >= barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
    imo
    If you provided some, or any, basis to your posts, people would be able to interact with you a lot more.

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    sobers no:1 is from the kyear2 school of posting
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    procter > g.pollock >= barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
    imo
    I'm not sure you can compare-

    Procter (bowling AR)
    G. Pollock (LH middle order bat)
    Barry Richards (RH opening bat)
    Donald (RH opening bowler)
    Pollock (bowling AR)
    &
    Kallis (batting AR)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    sobers no:1 is from the kyear2 school of posting
    And which is your's.
    Post a smiley and compose posts that adds nothing to the conversation?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    If you provided some, or any, basis to your posts, people would be able to interact with you a lot more.
    Agree 100%. He doesn't provide convincing reasoning for his posts. And his txt lik pstng is fkn annoying 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I'm not sure you can compare-

    Procter (bowling AR)
    G. Pollock (LH middle order bat)
    Barry Richards (RH opening bat)
    Donald (RH opening bowler)
    Pollock (bowling AR)
    &
    Kallis (batting AR)
    hmm.. you can not decide who is better btwn akram and srinath.. can u ?
    so i am the first one to rank greats of the game. wait a minute.. i think i have seen something like cw50 , espn 25..

    my views
    bowling procter = donald >> pollock
    batting barry/g.pollock >> kallis . and procter >> s.pollock
    procter bowling almost equals barry/g.pollock batting
    s.pollock batting > kallis bowling

    hence
    procter > g.pollock , barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
    Last edited by sobers no:1; 21-02-2013 at 01:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    hmm.. you can not decide who is better btwn akram and srinath.. can u ?
    so i am the first one to rank greats of the game. wait a minute.. i think i have seen something like cw50 , espn 25..

    my views
    bowling procter = donald >> pollock
    batting barry/g.pollock >> kallis . and procter >> s.pollock
    procter bowling almost equals barry/g.pollock batting
    s.pollock batting > kallis bowling

    hence
    procter > g.pollock , barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
    You must have really liked its 2nd edition where Sobers was no1

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1
    s.pollock batting > kallis bowling
    I'll have you know Jacques is a very fine tenpin bowler.



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