The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 108

Coronis · 20-02-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sobers no:1

mcgrath is an ATG

I believe he was referring to Procter, though I've been wrong before.

Howe_zat · 20-02-2013, 03:56 AM

Cribbles, if Procter gets marked down by the PEWsian method for playing not many Tests at one end of his career, why does WG not get the same brush? Both played exceptionally well at the highest level they could for many years.

harsh.skm · 20-02-2013, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Howe_zat

Cribbles, if Procter gets marked down by the PEWsian method for playing not many Tests at one end of his career, why does WG not get the same brush? Both played exceptionally well at the highest level they could for many years.

Because during the life and time of Grace, English Domestic cricket was the highest standard of cricket, but such was not the case for Procter's time.

Prince EWS · 20-02-2013, 04:52 AM

Yes, quite. Grace towered above his peers at what was regarded as the highest and most important level of cricket at the time; not just the highest level he was allowed to play personally.

It'd be a bit like if we started a Martian colony and began playing Earth v Mars matches before expanding to other planets and establishing a Galactic Test Championship. It wouldn't suddenly make Tendulkar no longer an ATG for not having done anything at a level of cricket that didn't exist during his prime, but if it became the pinnacle of the game with national Tests being used as a feeder competition to it and we temporarily suspended Venus from it for a little while for political reasons, then Venutians during that period would be regarded as unlucky and nothing more.

Procter was obviously a supremely talented cricketer who was unlucky not to have a greater opportunity at Test level to prove himself, but you could probably say that about lots of cricketers who we've never even heard of, robbed of the chance to even play First Class cricket for any number of reasons. Life gets in the way; it's funny like that.

I don't actually have a problem with people calling Procter an all time great cricketer and I'd probably even do so myself, but when comparing him to other all time greats who actually proved themselves at the highest level of cricket throughout their primes he's going to be at the bottom of the pile for me. Was > could have been.

sobers no:1 · 20-02-2013, 09:24 AM

99% sure , procter cd hv bn the 2nd greatest AR of alltime
for me , he is the greatest SA player ever

harsh.skm · 20-02-2013, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobers no:1

99% sure , procter cd hv bn the 2nd greatest AR of alltime
for me , he is the greatest SA player ever

Kallis says hello!

sobers no:1 · 20-02-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by harsh.skm

Kallis says hello!

procter > g.pollock >= barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
imo

Monk · 20-02-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sobers no:1

procter > g.pollock >= barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
imo

If you provided some, or any, basis to your posts, people would be able to interact with you a lot more.

smalishah84 · 20-02-2013, 12:36 PM

sobers no:1 is from the kyear2 school of posting

Monk · 20-02-2013, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobers no:1

procter > g.pollock >= barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis
imo

I'm not sure you can compare-

Procter (bowling AR)
G. Pollock (LH middle order bat)
Barry Richards (RH opening bat)
Donald (RH opening bowler)
Pollock (bowling AR)
&
Kallis (batting AR)

kyear2 · 20-02-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by smalishah84

sobers no:1 is from the kyear2 school of posting

And which is your's.
Post a smiley and compose posts that adds nothing to the conversation?

the big bambino · 20-02-2013, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Monk

If you provided some, or any, basis to your posts, people would be able to interact with you a lot more.

Agree 100%. He doesn't provide convincing reasoning for his posts. And his txt lik pstng is fkn annoying 2.

sobers no:1 · 21-02-2013, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk

I'm not sure you can compare-

Procter (bowling AR)
G. Pollock (LH middle order bat)
Barry Richards (RH opening bat)
Donald (RH opening bowler)
Pollock (bowling AR)
&
Kallis (batting AR)

hmm.. you can not decide who is better btwn akram and srinath.. can u ?
so i am the first one to rank greats of the game. wait a minute.. i think i have seen something like cw50 , espn 25..

my views
bowling procter = donald >> pollock
batting barry/g.pollock >> kallis . and procter >> s.pollock
procter bowling almost equals barry/g.pollock batting
s.pollock batting > kallis bowling

hence
procter > g.pollock , barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis

smalishah84 · 21-02-2013, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobers no:1

hmm.. you can not decide who is better btwn akram and srinath.. can u ?
so i am the first one to rank greats of the game. wait a minute.. i think i have seen something like cw50 , espn 25..

my views
bowling procter = donald >> pollock
batting barry/g.pollock >> kallis . and procter >> s.pollock
procter bowling almost equals barry/g.pollock batting
s.pollock batting > kallis bowling

hence
procter > g.pollock , barry > donald > s.pollock > kallis

You must have really liked its 2nd edition where Sobers was no1

Prince EWS · 21-02-2013, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobers no:1

s.pollock batting > kallis bowling

I'll have you know Jacques is a very fine tenpin bowler.

20-02-2013, 03:56 AM	#1607 (permalink)
Howe_zat International Coach Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Top floor, bottom buzzer Posts: 13,852	Cribbles, if Procter gets marked down by the PEWsian method for playing not many Tests at one end of his career, why does WG not get the same brush? Both played exceptionally well at the highest level they could for many years. __________________ Ain't nothing in the woodshed, except maybe some wood

20-02-2013, 04:52 AM	#1609 (permalink)
Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,732	Yes, quite. Grace towered above his peers at what was regarded as the highest and most important level of cricket at the time; not just the highest level he was allowed to play personally. It'd be a bit like if we started a Martian colony and began playing Earth v Mars matches before expanding to other planets and establishing a Galactic Test Championship. It wouldn't suddenly make Tendulkar no longer an ATG for not having done anything at a level of cricket that didn't exist during his prime, but if it became the pinnacle of the game with national Tests being used as a feeder competition to it and we temporarily suspended Venus from it for a little while for political reasons, then Venutians during that period would be regarded as unlucky and nothing more. Procter was obviously a supremely talented cricketer who was unlucky not to have a greater opportunity at Test level to prove himself, but you could probably say that about lots of cricketers who we've never even heard of, robbed of the chance to even play First Class cricket for any number of reasons. Life gets in the way; it's funny like that. I don't actually have a problem with people calling Procter an all time great cricketer and I'd probably even do so myself, but when comparing him to other all time greats who actually proved themselves at the highest level of cricket throughout their primes he's going to be at the bottom of the pile for me. Was > could have been. __________________ ~ Cribbage Last edited by Prince EWS; 20-02-2013 at 05:44 AM.

20-02-2013, 12:36 PM	#1614 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	sobers no:1 is from the kyear2 school of posting __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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20-02-2013, 09:24 AM	#1610 (permalink)
sobers no:1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: india Posts: 152	99% sure , procter cd hv bn the 2nd greatest AR of alltime for me , he is the greatest SA player ever

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