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    Probably have McCullum over Smith. Just as good a wicketkeeper and a much better batsmen for the lower order. Feel that Smith is overrated slightly because he played in the nostalgic eighties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    He has been lauded for his excellent record against the WIs. And it is excellent. But it's also misleading, because the majority of those matches WERE NOT against Marshall, Holding, Roberts and Garner, but much weaker bowling attacks.

    So, anyone who says "Sunil is the greatest opener ever because he succeeded against the pace might of the WIs in the 70s and 80s" is kind of wrong, or manipulating the truth...
    His record against Australia is similar to his WI Record. All the runs came either in the WSC years or 1985 (year of South African rebel tour - Alderman, Rackerman etc went to South Africa, Lillee, Thompson, Hogg, Pascoe, Dymock etc all recently retired).

    In the 1972 World 11 Series (Lillee, Mckenzy), Gavaskar averaged 24 in 4 match's and 1981/1982? against Lillee, Hogg, Lawson? he averaged 19 in 3 match's.

    From what I remember in 1981/82?, it was not that Gavaskar got out Quickly (in Adelaide he batted for 2 or 3 hours for 20 odd runs). It was more that Australian bowlers strangled his scoring with a McGrath like line.

    Gavaskar was a brilliant defensive batsman, In Australia atleast, he did not drive on the up, he waited for the bowlers to bowl a 4 ball. Gavaskar did well against fast erratic bowlers (Thomson, Clark's), it was perhaps the McGrath type bowler from both ends that could cause him problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    was that too silly ? Mohanlal.jpg

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    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick


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    Lest we forget....

    Unable to forget the wristy majesty of his 281 against Australia, you may insist that VVS Laxman is a better player than his more consistent peers. Yes, they can blind you with numbers. But you have the right to judge sport on your own terms.
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    Yet another reason why Kallis is so great

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    Slightly different discussion but still regarding an ATG player.

    Has anyone else been as well managed as Steyn? He has played about the same no of ODIs as Tests.

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    Today's XI

    01. WG Grace
    02. Jack Hobbs
    03. Don Bradman
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Victor Trumper
    06. Garry Sobers
    07. Imran Khan
    08. Allan Knott
    09. Shane Warne
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Dennis Lillee

    12. Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Today's XI

    01. WG Grace
    02. Jack Hobbs
    03. Don Bradman
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Victor Trumper
    06. Garry Sobers
    07. Imran Khan
    08. Allan Knott
    09. Shane Warne
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Dennis Lillee

    12. Viv Richards
    Today's XI

    W G Grace
    Jack Hobbs
    Don Bradman
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Garfield Sobers
    Vivian Richards
    Adam Gilchrist
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn McGrath

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    Today's 11 - leggies I like

    1. Mitchell
    2. Simpson
    3. Compton
    4. Tendulkar
    5. Faulkner
    6. Du Plessis
    7. Oldfield +
    8. Benaud*
    9. Warne
    10. Grimmett
    11. O'Reilly

    Why did I choose Faf? Because he's my favourite player at the moment and I got lazy, just imagine someone else like Mushtaq Mohammad in there if you want

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    Everyone thinks I need 3 ATG pacers XI

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Don Bradman*
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Viv Richards
    6. Gary Sobers
    7. Adam Gilchrist+
    8. Mike Procter
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Glenn McGrath
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    And you still only picked two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    And you still only picked two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    And you still only picked two.
    mcgrath is an ATG

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    mcgrath is an ATG
    Indeed.



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