The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 107

Days of Grace · 12-02-2013, 07:14 AM

Probably have McCullum over Smith. Just as good a wicketkeeper and a much better batsmen for the lower order. Feel that Smith is overrated slightly because he played in the nostalgic eighties.

MartinB · 12-02-2013, 07:42 AM

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He has been lauded for his excellent record against the WIs. And it is excellent. But it's also misleading, because the majority of those matches WERE NOT against Marshall, Holding, Roberts and Garner, but much weaker bowling attacks.

So, anyone who says "Sunil is the greatest opener ever because he succeeded against the pace might of the WIs in the 70s and 80s" is kind of wrong, or manipulating the truth...

His record against Australia is similar to his WI Record. All the runs came either in the WSC years or 1985 (year of South African rebel tour - Alderman, Rackerman etc went to South Africa, Lillee, Thompson, Hogg, Pascoe, Dymock etc all recently retired).

In the 1972 World 11 Series (Lillee, Mckenzy), Gavaskar averaged 24 in 4 match's and 1981/1982? against Lillee, Hogg, Lawson? he averaged 19 in 3 match's.

From what I remember in 1981/82?, it was not that Gavaskar got out Quickly (in Adelaide he batted for 2 or 3 hours for 20 odd runs). It was more that Australian bowlers strangled his scoring with a McGrath like line.

Gavaskar was a brilliant defensive batsman, In Australia atleast, he did not drive on the up, he waited for the bowlers to bowl a 4 ball. Gavaskar did well against fast erratic bowlers (Thomson, Clark's), it was perhaps the McGrath type bowler from both ends that could cause him problems.

sobers no:1 · 12-02-2013, 09:27 AM

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was that too silly ? Mohanlal.jpg

Jager · 12-02-2013, 09:37 PM

Ed Smith has been lurking CW IMO

Ed Smith : Ed Smith: Peaks or high plateaus: what makes a player great? | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

watson · 12-02-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jager

Ed Smith has been lurking CW IMO

Ed Smith : Ed Smith: Peaks or high plateaus: what makes a player great? | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Lest we forget....

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Unable to forget the wristy majesty of his 281 against Australia, you may insist that VVS Laxman is a better player than his more consistent peers. Yes, they can blind you with numbers. But you have the right to judge sport on your own terms.

Coronis · 12-02-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jager

Ed Smith has been lurking CW IMO

Ed Smith : Ed Smith: Peaks or high plateaus: what makes a player great? | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Yet another reason why Kallis is so great

Agent Nationaux · 17-02-2013, 04:49 PM

Slightly different discussion but still regarding an ATG player.

Has anyone else been as well managed as Steyn? He has played about the same no of ODIs as Tests.

Monk · 19-02-2013, 02:51 AM

Today's XI

01. WG Grace
02. Jack Hobbs
03. Don Bradman
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Victor Trumper
06. Garry Sobers
07. Imran Khan
08. Allan Knott
09. Shane Warne
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Dennis Lillee

12. Viv Richards

harsh.skm · 19-02-2013, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Monk

Today's XI

01. WG Grace
02. Jack Hobbs
03. Don Bradman
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Victor Trumper
06. Garry Sobers
07. Imran Khan
08. Allan Knott
09. Shane Warne
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Dennis Lillee

12. Viv Richards

Today's XI

W G Grace
Jack Hobbs
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Garfield Sobers
Vivian Richards
Adam Gilchrist
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

Keith Miller

Jager · 19-02-2013, 05:20 AM

Today's 11 - leggies I like

1. Mitchell
2. Simpson
3. Compton
4. Tendulkar
5. Faulkner
6. Du Plessis
7. Oldfield +
8. Benaud*
9. Warne
10. Grimmett
11. O'Reilly

Why did I choose Faf? Because he's my favourite player at the moment and I got lazy, just imagine someone else like Mushtaq Mohammad in there if you want

Coronis · 19-02-2013, 03:26 PM

Everyone thinks I need 3 ATG pacers XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Don Bradman*
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Viv Richards
6. Gary Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Mike Procter
9. Shane Warne
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Glenn McGrath

Prince EWS · 19-02-2013, 03:28 PM

And you still only picked two.

Coronis · 19-02-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

And you still only picked two.

sobers no:1 · 19-02-2013, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

And you still only picked two.

mcgrath is an ATG

Prince EWS · 19-02-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sobers no:1

mcgrath is an ATG

Indeed.

12-02-2013, 07:14 AM	#1591 (permalink)
Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,853	Probably have McCullum over Smith. Just as good a wicketkeeper and a much better batsmen for the lower order. Feel that Smith is overrated slightly because he played in the nostalgic eighties. __________________ Greatest Ever Test XI (according to my ratings): Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman (c), Headley, Lara, Sobers, Gilchrist (wk), Hadlee, Marshall, Steyn, Muralitharan 12th man: Imran Khan Favorite XI: Grace (c), Trumper, Richards, Lara, Compton, Gilchrist (wk), Cairns, Jessop, Warne, Bond, Trueman

12-02-2013, 09:37 PM	#1594 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Ed Smith has been lurking CW IMO Ed Smith : Ed Smith: Peaks or high plateaus: what makes a player great? \| Cricinfo Magazine \| ESPN Cricinfo __________________ Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

19-02-2013, 03:28 PM	#1602 (permalink)
Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,728	And you still only picked two. __________________ ~ Cribbage

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17-02-2013, 04:49 PM	#1597 (permalink)
Agent Nationaux Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 8,269	Slightly different discussion but still regarding an ATG player. Has anyone else been as well managed as Steyn? He has played about the same no of ODIs as Tests.

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Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	Today's XI 01. WG Grace 02. Jack Hobbs 03. Don Bradman 04. Sachin Tendulkar 05. Victor Trumper 06. Garry Sobers 07. Imran Khan 08. Allan Knott 09. Shane Warne 10. Malcolm Marshall 11. Dennis Lillee 12. Viv Richards

19-02-2013, 05:20 AM	#1600 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Today's 11 - leggies I like 1. Mitchell 2. Simpson 3. Compton 4. Tendulkar 5. Faulkner 6. Du Plessis 7. Oldfield + 8. Benaud* 9. Warne 10. Grimmett 11. O'Reilly Why did I choose Faf? Because he's my favourite player at the moment and I got lazy, just imagine someone else like Mushtaq Mohammad in there if you want

19-02-2013, 03:26 PM	#1601 (permalink)
Coronis U19 Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NSW Posts: 660	Everyone thinks I need 3 ATG pacers XI 1. Jack Hobbs 2. Herbert Sutcliffe 3. Don Bradman* 4. Graeme Pollock 5. Viv Richards 6. Gary Sobers 7. Adam Gilchrist+ 8. Mike Procter 9. Shane Warne 10. Malcolm Marshall 11. Glenn McGrath

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