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Thread: Clash of the titans, Dhoni vs Bevan

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    What Dhoni is fantastic at is playing a large number of roles. Can come in at 3 and basically kill the opposition (remember his first 2 sensational centuries). Can come in slog overs to set a big target or chase down 8-9 rpo. And can also build an innings from tatters. In terms of big hitting, he definitely scores over Bevan (that exhibition match aside)

    The reason I've voted for Bevan is that he did it for little longer than Dhoni has done so far, and Bevan had hardly any holes. Dhoni did well in last tours of England and Australia, but hasn't done as much in SA. It's pretty close though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    That's not quite true. When Bevan had no choice he could reach the boundary with monotonous regularity. His 185 runs (chasing 320) against an 'Asia XI' featuring Kumble and a young Razzaq has to be seen to be believed;

    Michael Bevan 185* vs ASIA XI - 2000 Dhaka - YouTube

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    that was an exhibition game silly. i think wasim bowled a couple of balls with a tennis ball in that game as well
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    I'd say Bevan, probably due to bias though. It kinda depends on the circumstances though - Bevan would be better for a tight chase where there's plenty of overs to spare but not a lot of wickets left. Dhoni would be better for a chase with several wickets in hand, but a steep run rate.

    I think eras have something to do with as well. 90's one-day cricket wasn't anywhere as aggressive as it is now. For now you'd take Dhoni, back then you'd take Bevan.
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    Would strongly, strongly consider having both tbh. You'd be surprised every time you lost a game whilst chasing with both of them in your side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DingDong View Post
    that was an exhibition game silly. i think wasim bowled a couple of balls with a tennis ball in that game as well
    Looked like they were trying pretty hard to me.
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    sorry but , always bevan

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    I'd rather have Bevan in a chase but I think I'd prefer Dhoni down the order in the first innings. I find it hard to separate them as finishers or lower order players but as overall OD batsmen I think I'd take Bevan, because he showed at various times throughout his career that he could bat 4 and set up the game as well. I know Dhoni has a couple of really fast centuries up the order too, but he was promoted as a pinch hitter in those circumstances because of the pitch conditions/India's start rather than being selected as a genuine top order batsman.
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    Bevan always tend to be viewed with rose tinted glasses, with some merit behind it, as he was the original finisher and made that term trendy. However I think over the last 3-4 years, Dhoni has pipped him. Bevan's match winning innings are legendary, but there were aso some instances where his slow SR proved fatal for Australia as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senile Sentry View Post
    Bevan always tend to be viewed with rose tinted glasses, with some merit behind it, as he was the original finisher and made that term trendy. However I think over the last 3-4 years, Dhoni has pipped him. Bevan's match winning innings are legendary, but there were aso some instances where his slow SR proved fatal for Australia as well.
    Care to provide any examples? From my memory, I can't remember a single game where Bevan scored too slowly and cost Australia a match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Care to provide any examples? From my memory, I can't remember a single game where Bevan scored too slowly and cost Australia a match.
    I don't really want to look like a guy looking to nitpick, as I really admire Bevan, but since you asked, here you go:

    5th Match: Australia v England at Sydney, Jan 17, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Came in at 152/4 in the 30th over, plodded along and made 45 from 59 balls without a single boundary, yet stayed not out. From the accompanying Wisden article :

    Australia were accused of mismanagement after finishing eight short with four wickets in hand. Commentators asked why they hadn't burnt more wickets in pursuit of victory, while Bevan, normally one-day cricket's pin-up, was under fire for not scoring a single four in 45 not out.......But Gough was thrifty, conceding 16 in his final four overs, and Australia, needing 15 off the last, could not hit Giles to the boundary.
    A lesser instance would be this match

    5th Match: Australia v India at Brisbane, Jan 18, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Again when faced with a asking rate of over 6, couldn't get the momentum going and stayed not out at the end with a SR below what was required.

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    Just listing some more instances :

    3rd ODI: Australia v South Africa at Melbourne (Docklands), Aug 20, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Chasing a target of 207 in 49 overs vs SA, Australia was crippled by Bevan's slow innings of 33 from 80 balls, and ended up just 8 short when the overs dried up.

    1st Match: India v Australia at Kochi, Apr 1, 1998 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    At Kochi in 1998, when Australia were in a dominating position chasing 310, were 2/106 in 12 overs, and 204/4 in 31 overs, Bevan plodded along at his SR, the momentum was lost and Tendulkar tore through the lower order to win India the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senile Sentry View Post
    Just listing some more instances :

    3rd ODI: Australia v South Africa at Melbourne (Docklands), Aug 20, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Chasing a target of 207 in 49 overs vs SA, Australia was crippled by Bevan's slow innings of 33 from 80 balls, and ended up just 8 short when the overs dried up.

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    Bevan had a lower SR no doubt. His innings was built on 1s and 2s mainly.

    Didn't watch the above match butLance Klusener and Neil McKenzie played pretty slowly too in that match?
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    Bevan wasn't finishing in that SA game anyway - I have no idea why Australia got him to bat at 4.

    In the England match, Lehmann was striking at 87, and had a big partnership with Bevan. Whilst he should have got Australia over the line, I'd hardly say his overall innings strike rate was a problem - especially given Blewett was rattling along nicely as well.

    In the 2004 India match, I would hardly describe a SR of 95 being 'too low' for a nudger/nurdler batsman in a team with a big-hitting top order. Would sooner have a crack at lee for conceding 83 in his 10 overs, not Bevan's strike rate.

    1998 India match, I think the rest of the team let Bev down a little bit - for once he had too much to do.

    Even so, you've given 2-3 matches in 232 from which Bevan's strike rate may have been an issue. I'm sure Dhoni has a similar proportion as well (that one in the 2011/12 CB series where he struck at 40-ish, or whatever). The amount of times either of them 'screw up' in terms of SR is rather negligible IMO.

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    yeah......and it would be difficult to blame Bevan in the 95 SR match

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    What Dhoni is fantastic at is playing a large number of roles. Can come in at 3 and basically kill the opposition (remember his first 2 sensational centuries). Can come in slog overs to set a big target or chase down 8-9 rpo. And can also build an innings from tatters. In terms of big hitting, he definitely scores over Bevan (that exhibition match aside)

    The reason I've voted for Bevan is that he did it for little longer than Dhoni has done so far, and Bevan had hardly any holes. Dhoni did well in last tours of England and Australia, but hasn't done as much in SA. It's pretty close though.
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