Kallis average in Australia against Australia until 2007 is 48.
tendulkar and lara always had decisions gone against them in Aus. (umpires tended to target the best batsman of the opposition untill a decade or so ago).
Another thing I want to mention about Lara and tendulkar- often enough when they looked set for a big score in Aus or Eng, unfortunately for them their team-mates crumbled around them and they eventually threw away/lost their wicket for a half-decent score while batting with the lower order. Hence, they sometimes didn't have a fair shot at a big score.
If your line-up isn't doing well, it's incredibly hard to maxmize your batting output. (unless you are an opener or something)
tendulkar had his best year in terms of numbers at the age of 37. (2010/11)
he turned 38 right after the world cup win last year. that's when his output started to decline.
the reason kallis isn't rated as highly is that he never really stood out as a batsman before the 2010/11 india/sa series.
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I think people are getting bent out of shape for nothing, I or no one else is saying that Kallis isn't a legit top tier ATG batsman and probably the second greatest All Rounder of All Time. All I am saying is that I rate Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting higher.
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kallis a ATG no doubt about it.
His main attribute is his rock solid defense as far as batting goes.
moreover he is the 2nd best batting all-rounder ever.
However, if I needed to pick a batsman from this era, I wouldn't pick kallis ahead of the others, mainly because he's never really been that 'impact' player.
finally I rate him higher than Dravid, who tended to struggle in bouncy conditons.
The more I've watch off Kallis over the recent years, where ever you may rate him as a batsman, the more I've come to the realization that he might very well be one of the greatest cricketers ever. Whatever way you want to look at it, the guy has managed to play cricket consistently for 17+ years for South Africa as an all rounder while playing all formats of the game and still averaging over 55 with the bat in tests. It is rather miraculous how he has managed to maintain his fitness and that he is still going strong. Also, I think he is rather underrated with the bat, largely because he doesn't have the kind of demographics to support him on this forum, but also because of his style of play. There are few players who could have been brilliant irrespective of whether they played as bowler or batsman and one can only imagine how good he would have been if he gave up one form to focus on the other. I suspect that history will look back at Kallis with more fondness than he is at the moment everywhere outside South Africa.
Tendulkar = the most overated player EVER!!
Beckham = the most overated footballer EVER!!
Vassell = the biggest disgrace since rikki clarke!!
Yeah there were some one that were pretty bad like the Bucknor one against Gillispie in 03 but most of the ones I have heard complains about like the shoulder before wicket one against Mcgrath or the sydney test lbw in 99 were plain out.
Plus its not they didn't do the same in India:
Disgusting umpiring in India- Ricky Ponting out LBW- ball doesn't even hit the pad!!! 1998 - YouTube
Its happened to everybody. Tendulkar and Lara are nothing special and thinking that is just being a fanboy. I bet nobody goes around making lists of every bad decision he's survived. Like the one against SA in 2010 where he went to score 146 just to give throw one of the important ones out there.
You play enough it will happen to everybody.
And all that sounds like a bunch of excuses about teammates crumbling and such and such. Lara maybe for the later part of his career but India has always had strong batting line up. If you really wanna bring that up take a look at how many of thousands of of runs Tendulkar has scored in big scoring games where it basically looked like they were playing cricket on roads. Like his double hundreds against Australia in 2003 or 2010 just to give you examples. And even if that were true (which it is not) there are advantages to batting in weaker teams like not having to accelerate your scoring to push for wins. Someone like Chanderpaul for example would hardly ever face that kind of problem.
Yeah and that was and the no ball wicket was Dravid that was a mistake on my part. But still doesn't change my point . Blaming Kallis for runs after no ball wicket makes about as much sense as asking for all of Tendulkar's runs back after a dropped catch.
You seem to be making excuses after excuses to make Kallis' performances look bad and Tendulkar/Dravid's look good. Must say its getting kind of silly now and there seems to be a more and more of a cricinfo comments vide behind every one of your passing posts now.
And no the reason Kallis is not rated highly is because he is not that entertaining of a player from a very underrated team who neither has a huge fanbase and gets large media coverage from their country. If he were from one of the more countries with a bigger voice (India, Pakistan, England, Australia) he would have been given the respect he deserves. It wouldn't of mattered that he wasn't entertaining. The fact that of non entertaining players those countries like Cook who gets all kinds praises or the fact that Dravid was so highly rated before the India series despite being just as slow proves that. I would have rated Kallis ahead of him probably even before 2010. He was averaging 55 before the the India series.
quite glad I switched on the ignore feature.
South Africa overall were still the 2nd best team in the ATG Aussie era. There are things they have accomplished which gets unmentioned like being the first to beat India in India.
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