The Case for Kallis

[LongHopCassidy]

I don't quite understand the case for Kallis being selfish in the Webster's sense. Could someone put up a list of the incidents where he made this selfishness obvious?

[silentstriker]

I know while it was happening, we made comments about it several times. It'd be an interesting excercise to search through and compile that list.

[Quaggas]

Whether the belief that Kallis bats selfishly is so essential a part of CW faith that obstinacy to maintain the opposite opinion manifestly savours of heresy

Malleus Maleficarum, Part I, Question I

[uvelocity]

I know while it was happening, we made comments about it several times. It'd be an interesting excercise to search through and compile that list.

[Jono]

My new car rego plates I just ordered. For real. Honda Accord for no frills reliability and best all round value. I'm sure he won't mind

I tried to get Vangipurapu Venkata Sai Laxman on mine. ****ing NSW Roads said no.

Obviously racist.

[Jono]

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[LongHopCassidy]

I tried to get Vangipurapu Venkata Sai Laxman on mine. ****ing NSW Roads said no.

Obviously racist.

[Monk]

Whether the belief that Kallis bats selfishly is so essential a part of CW faith that obstinacy to maintain the opposite opinion manifestly savours of heresy

Malleus Maleficarum, Part I, Question I

You have Bonhoeffer as your avatar, and your post suggests to me you have been reading theology lately....

[LongHopCassidy]

Probably the thing which I find most interesting about Kallis is how people rate him in ODIs. In Tests I think he's rated fairly, an ATG batting all rounder who has been enormous for SA producing so many crucial performances.

In ODIs though I'm amazed when people pick him in their all time ODI XI's - I just don't see it at all.

IMO, he's ruthlessly excoriated for playing within his means in limited overs games. Kallis isn't paid to heave balls over long-on or bowl 90mph reverse swinging yorkers. He keeps a lid on the scoring rate and pushes the ball into gaps at a serviceable SR. Not an ODI standout but he's a fantastic assets for the variety of unnoticed stuff he brings to the table.

Does he decide when he gets thrown the ball, or where the ball gets pitched at him? I don't know, and I doubt anyone beyond the dressing room could fairly presume to.

On something slightly more tangential, I think there's a reasonable case to be made for the entire bottom order to make up batting/bowling all rounders.

An example would be:

1. AC Gilchrist+
2. SR Tendulkar
3. RT Ponting
4. IVA Richards
5. A Symonds
6. N Kapil Dev
7. IT Botham
8. Imran Khan
9. RJ Hadlee
10. Wasim Akram
11. SK Warne*

Theoretically, being able to hit out for 50 overs would outweigh McGrath's absence. IMO etc.

[Monk]

IMO, he's ruthlessly excoriated for playing within his means in limited overs games. Kallis isn't paid to heave balls over long-on or bowl 90mph reverse swinging yorkers. He keeps a lid on the scoring rate and pushes the ball into gaps at a serviceable SR. Not an ODI standout but he's a fantastic assets for the variety of unnoticed stuff he brings to the table.

Does he decide when he gets thrown the ball, or where the ball gets pitched at him? I don't know, and I doubt anyone beyond the dressing room could fairly presume to.

On something slightly more tangential, I think there's a reasonable case to be made for the entire bottom order to make up batting/bowling all rounders.

An example would be:

1. AC Gilchrist+
2. SR Tendulkar
3. RT Ponting
4. IVA Richards
5. A Symonds
6. N Kapil Dev
7. IT Botham
8. Imran Khan
9. RJ Hadlee
10. Wasim Akram
11. SK Warne*

Theoretically, being able to hit out for 50 overs would outweigh McGrath's absence. IMO etc.

I agree mostly. I think in an ATG XI you should have 5 high quality bowlers. You play a wk who can bat top six (Gilchrist or Dhoni)

I'd still play McGrath and Garner, either Murali or Warne as the spinner, and then two of Imran, Kapil, Wasim, Hadlee or Botham at 7 and 8. I'd prefer Imran and Kapil as they're better batsmen.

[Quaggas]

You have Bonhoeffer as your avatar, and your post suggests to me you have been reading theology lately....

Nah, but that's how we SA fans get by

[hang on]

wouldn't put him at the same level as tendulkar and lara, both of whom were blessed with genius. (or, for that matter, sobers, viv and barry richards), but better than ponting and dravid.

[Uppercut]

Marc has been vocal about Kallis' bowling for years, something along the lines of he only bowls when he wants to get easy wickets or something similar. If I recall most of this was surrounding the Kallis vs. Flintoff debate 5-6 years ago.

Would have thought the fact that a 37 year old guy is still running in and bowling for his team after often batting hours the previous day has well and truly put that theory to bed.

That's interesting because he tends to bowl a lot when he's playing England.

Lol, Kallis vs. Flintoff debate.

[8ankitj]

Good to see you back, hang on.

[Satyanash89]

No one can begrudge kallis anything now, imo. His legend has just grown enormously over the last few years, and this match was pretty much the culmination... an absolute hero