The Case for Kallis - Page 11

unam · 27-11-2012, 01:42 PM

agree with the above ^^. Pollock did have "show of brilliance" in early part of his career, in later part he become more of a bowler who would take 2-3 wickets in every match instead of someone who would take 10 in one match then wouldn't take any wicket in next few matches.

Top_Cat · 27-11-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

Yeah well I would bet neither his team or his partners felt it easy when Viv Richards threw his wickets away without assessing the situation of the game like we have seen Peterson do so many times.

Pick the bloke who never actually saw Viv play live.

The only reason Pietersen and Viv are comparable is because of their physical styles, really. Pietersen plays in isolation to the match situation and what his team-mates are doing, Viv lifted the other guys around him. Totally different team players.

kyear2 · 27-11-2012, 04:04 PM

Barrington, Border, Steve Waugh, Lawry started out as dashers and pared back their games and cut shots out of their games to be sucessful. It's much more difficult to be aggressive like Sachin, Brian and Ricky and succeed. Kallis and Chanderpaul bats in a vacum regardless of situation and sometimes even placing more pressure on the other batsmen in the team to score while they play for their averages.

unam · 27-11-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kyear2

Barrington, Border, Steve Waugh, Lawry started out as dashers and pared back their games and cut shots out of their games to be sucessful. It's much more difficult to be aggressive like Sachin, Brian and Ricky and succeed. Kallis and Chanderpaul bats in a vacum regardless of situation and sometimes even placing more pressure on the other batsmen in the team to score while they play for their averages.

you can say same thing about others, they just play aggressive regardless of the situation. Also everyone is saying that Kallis plays for his average. is there any scorecard/proof which shows Kallis played for his average?

Top_Cat · 27-11-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by unam

you can say same thing about others, they just play aggressive regardless of the situation. Also everyone is saying that Kallis plays for his average. is there any scorecard/proof which shows Kallis played for his average?

If you did, you'd be wrong. All of those blokes have numerous knocks where they've changed their play with due regard to the situation.

Inferno · 27-11-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Pick the bloke who never actually saw Viv play live.

The only reason Pietersen and Viv are comparable is because of their physical styles, really. Pietersen plays in isolation to the match situation and what his team-mates are doing, Viv lifted the other guys around him. Totally different team players.

Well you would be disappointed to find out I did see Richrads play in the later part of his career. And he did throw his wickets away from time. I was young back then so I didn't really understand about assessing the situation but I remember my dad commenting on it who was watching it live with me saying how needlessly got out trying to go for a big shot when it was completely unnecessary. Every aggressive player gets out trying to go for boundaries from time to time its just in their nature. All it takes is a tiny second of mistiming.

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

If you did, you'd be wrong. All of those blokes have numerous knocks where they've changed their play with due regard to the situation.

And you would be wrong thinking Kallis never played aggressively in his career when they needed him to.

Top_Cat · 27-11-2012, 05:21 PM

I didn't comment on Kallis' play....

Inferno · 27-11-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

I didn't comment on Kallis' play....

Sorry I thought you were agreeing with kyear2.

Just to be fair I don't think Richrads couldn't assess the situation and change his play, Just saying if you really wanna stereotype you can do it for both players. What I'm also finding it hard to understand is how he can say Sehwag can't be compared with Richrads because he is a "flat track bully" yet he is comparing Chanderpaul with literally the same record with Kallis.

ProteasFan · 27-11-2012, 10:19 PM

I honestly believe that Kallis played conservatively because he was asked to be the bedrock of the team for much of his career. He was the prized wicket, the person who would rebuild to a decent score.

I think since Amla burst onto the scene ( last 4 years), Kallis has started to play with much more freedom. He realises or knows that Amla is the new bedrock and He ( Kallis) can play his normal game.

T20's have also improved Kallis as a player IMO. The turning point was when he was left out of the T20 World Cup because he was percieved as being to slow. He works on his game continously and is constantly reinventing himself to stay relevant.

One has to remember that as All rounder, he is by far and away the greatest of his generation. How many other all rounders are still doing their stuff at 37? Mad Respect for kallis.

Top_Cat · 27-11-2012, 10:30 PM

Can't think of a single all-rounder who was still their team's number 1 player at 37 ever, tbh. Even well before they actually retired, Kapil, Both and Imran had all dropped their pace quite a bit to prolong their careers and were obviously not their teams number 1 bats by then. In the case of Imran, had pretty much stopped bowling completely.

kingkallis · 28-11-2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

Kallis is some cricketer isn't he? I mean he isn't a match winner but has won the most man of the match awards by a test cricketer.

Yeah that was such a funny statement from kyear2.

smalishah84 · 28-11-2012, 03:24 AM

just search the forum and you will find a lot of funny statements from kyear2

popepouri · 28-11-2012, 09:33 AM

Ponting has declined badly for the past 3 years now and it will tarnish an almost impecible career. He should have hung up his boots at 35.

unam · 28-11-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by popepouri

Ponting has declined badly for the past 3 years now and it will tarnish an almost impecible career. He should have hung up his boots at 35.

NOOOOOOOOO....Every time he comes out to bat I glue to TV and hope he will score 100, unfortunately these days by the time I get settled down and get ready to watch some classic drives of Ponting

, Ponting goes back to pavilion.

8ankitj · 16-12-2012, 07:47 AM

Ramchandran Guha pays tribute to Kallis.

Guest Column : Ramachandra Guha: Jacques Kallis, MVP | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

27-11-2012, 04:04 PM	#153 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,505	Barrington, Border, Steve Waugh, Lawry started out as dashers and pared back their games and cut shots out of their games to be sucessful. It's much more difficult to be aggressive like Sachin, Brian and Ricky and succeed. Kallis and Chanderpaul bats in a vacum regardless of situation and sometimes even placing more pressure on the other batsmen in the team to score while they play for their averages. __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	just search the forum and you will find a lot of funny statements from kyear2 __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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27-11-2012, 01:42 PM	#151 (permalink)
unam U19 12th Man Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Universe Posts: 204	agree with the above ^^. Pollock did have "show of brilliance" in early part of his career, in later part he become more of a bowler who would take 2-3 wickets in every match instead of someone who would take 10 in one match then wouldn't take any wicket in next few matches.

27-11-2012, 05:21 PM	#157 (permalink)
Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,188	I didn't comment on Kallis' play....

27-11-2012, 10:19 PM	#159 (permalink)
ProteasFan School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: South Africa Posts: 88	I honestly believe that Kallis played conservatively because he was asked to be the bedrock of the team for much of his career. He was the prized wicket, the person who would rebuild to a decent score. I think since Amla burst onto the scene ( last 4 years), Kallis has started to play with much more freedom. He realises or knows that Amla is the new bedrock and He ( Kallis) can play his normal game. T20's have also improved Kallis as a player IMO. The turning point was when he was left out of the T20 World Cup because he was percieved as being to slow. He works on his game continously and is constantly reinventing himself to stay relevant. One has to remember that as All rounder, he is by far and away the greatest of his generation. How many other all rounders are still doing their stuff at 37? Mad Respect for kallis.

27-11-2012, 10:30 PM	#160 (permalink)
Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,188	Can't think of a single all-rounder who was still their team's number 1 player at 37 ever, tbh. Even well before they actually retired, Kapil, Both and Imran had all dropped their pace quite a bit to prolong their careers and were obviously not their teams number 1 bats by then. In the case of Imran, had pretty much stopped bowling completely.

28-11-2012, 09:33 AM	#163 (permalink)
popepouri State Vice-Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waterloo, ON Posts: 1,113	Ponting has declined badly for the past 3 years now and it will tarnish an almost impecible career. He should have hung up his boots at 35.

16-12-2012, 07:47 AM	#165 (permalink)
8ankitj International Captain Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hyderabad India Posts: 5,148	Ramchandran Guha pays tribute to Kallis. Guest Column : Ramachandra Guha: Jacques Kallis, MVP \| Cricinfo Magazine \| ESPN Cricinfo

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