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    Is KP an ATG Test Batsman?

    With all the KP soap dramas, and now that there's no guarantee he will play another Test. Purely in terms of his batting career, would Pietersen go down as an ATG Test batsman? I am sitting on the fence on this one. As an entertainer, definitely. As a run scorer, possibly.

    FTR this is what Statsguru has his stats at, excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:

    M I No Runs HS Ave SR 100 50
    84 144 6 6734 227 48.79 62.78 21 24

    Let war declared be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis View Post
    With all the KP soap dramas, and now that there's no guarantee he will play another Test. Purely in terms of his batting career, would Pietersen go down as an ATG Test batsman? I am sitting on the fence on this one. As an entertainer, definitely. As a run scorer, possibly.

    FTR this is what Statsguru has his stats at, excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:

    M I No Runs HS Ave SR 100 50
    84 144 6 6734 227 48.79 62.78 21 24

    Let war declared be...
    If the definition of ATG is near automatic selection in your nation's all time best XI, he's kind of almost an ATG.
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    Surely off-field goings-on affect whether you are an all-time great, as well.

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    For me he is, the skill the swagger and yes the arrogance. He made Cricinfo's England's AT XI a couple years ago and he has only got better. Definate yes for me.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3


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    KP is a talented cricketer, who can score runs for fun, and at the rate of knots, but his temperament at the crease and attitude off the field makes me question whether he is an ATG.
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    No.

    He would struggle to make the current World XI

    Kallis, Sanga, Clarke surely ahead of him might squeeze in at the 6th spot.

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    No. Has played some great innings, but I'd pick David Gower, for instance, ahead of him. And I'm pretty sure DG isn't considered ATG.
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    Clearly one of Englands best bats in the modern era.
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    ATG pom yeah I guess

    ATG world no
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    For me he is, the skill the swagger and yes the arrogance. He made Cricinfo's England's AT XI a couple years ago and he has only got better. Definate yes for me.
    Agreed. He ranked highly here too: The ATG World XI's game
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    nope, no

    most of the cases he has come to rescue of England and has been shown to be so good only because rest batted like ****s most of the time

    So, no.

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    Probably would go close if he had a "full" career but if it actually does end now then no, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Probably would go close if he had a "full" career but if it actually does end now then no, IMO.
    What do you mean by "full"?

    Isn't 88 Test matches a pretty "full" career and numerous enough to make a proper judgement on his cricketing ability and impact on Test match cricket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    What do you mean by "full"?

    Isn't 88 Test matches a pretty "full" career and numerous enough to make a proper judgement on his cricketing ability and impact on Test match cricket?
    Not really, no, especially when he's in the sort of form he's in now. Raw test numbers can be misleading.
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