Is KP an ATG Test Batsman?

KungFu_Kallis · 15-08-2012, 04:21 PM

With all the KP soap dramas, and now that there's no guarantee he will play another Test. Purely in terms of his batting career, would Pietersen go down as an ATG Test batsman? I am sitting on the fence on this one. As an entertainer, definitely. As a run scorer, possibly.

FTR this is what Statsguru has his stats at, excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:

M I No Runs HS Ave SR 100 50
84 144 6 6734 227 48.79 62.78 21 24

Let war declared be...

Monk · 15-08-2012, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis

With all the KP soap dramas, and now that there's no guarantee he will play another Test. Purely in terms of his batting career, would Pietersen go down as an ATG Test batsman? I am sitting on the fence on this one. As an entertainer, definitely. As a run scorer, possibly.

FTR this is what Statsguru has his stats at, excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:

M I No Runs HS Ave SR 100 50
84 144 6 6734 227 48.79 62.78 21 24

Let war declared be...

If the definition of ATG is near automatic selection in your nation's all time best XI, he's kind of almost an ATG.

SteveNZ · 15-08-2012, 04:50 PM

Surely off-field goings-on affect whether you are an all-time great, as well.

kyear2 · 15-08-2012, 05:24 PM

For me he is, the skill the swagger and yes the arrogance. He made Cricinfo's England's AT XI a couple years ago and he has only got better. Definate yes for me.

benjy · 15-08-2012, 05:33 PM

KP is a talented cricketer, who can score runs for fun, and at the rate of knots, but his temperament at the crease and attitude off the field makes me question whether he is an ATG.

Xuhaib · 15-08-2012, 05:49 PM

No.

He would struggle to make the current World XI

Kallis, Sanga, Clarke surely ahead of him might squeeze in at the 6th spot.

CWB304 · 15-08-2012, 05:51 PM

No. Has played some great innings, but I'd pick David Gower, for instance, ahead of him. And I'm pretty sure DG isn't considered ATG.

NasserFan207 · 15-08-2012, 06:06 PM

Clearly one of Englands best bats in the modern era.

uvelocity · 15-08-2012, 07:08 PM

ATG pom yeah I guess

ATG world no

Jager · 15-08-2012, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

For me he is, the skill the swagger and yes the arrogance. He made Cricinfo's England's AT XI a couple years ago and he has only got better. Definate yes for me.

Agreed. He ranked highly here too: The ATG World XI's game

blahblahblah · 15-08-2012, 10:53 PM

nope, no

most of the cases he has come to rescue of England and has been shown to be so good only because rest batted like ****s most of the time

So, no.

Prince EWS · 15-08-2012, 10:58 PM

Probably would go close if he had a "full" career but if it actually does end now then no, IMO.

watson · 16-08-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Probably would go close if he had a "full" career but if it actually does end now then no, IMO.

What do you mean by "full"?

Isn't 88 Test matches a pretty "full" career and numerous enough to make a proper judgement on his cricketing ability and impact on Test match cricket?

deathmonger · 16-08-2012, 12:34 AM

No. 50+ avg is required.

Spark · 16-08-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by watson

What do you mean by "full"?

Isn't 88 Test matches a pretty "full" career and numerous enough to make a proper judgement on his cricketing ability and impact on Test match cricket?

Not really, no, especially when he's in the sort of form he's in now. Raw test numbers can be misleading.

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kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,502	For me he is, the skill the swagger and yes the arrogance. He made Cricinfo's England's AT XI a couple years ago and he has only got better. Definate yes for me. __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes

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benjy Cricket Spectator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Northwich Posts: 6	KP is a talented cricketer, who can score runs for fun, and at the rate of knots, but his temperament at the crease and attitude off the field makes me question whether he is an ATG. __________________ "[Ray Jennings] was to orthodoxy what King Herod was to child-minding" - Mike Atherton on the South African coach

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CWB304 U19 Debutant Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London Posts: 335	No. Has played some great innings, but I'd pick David Gower, for instance, ahead of him. And I'm pretty sure DG isn't considered ATG. __________________ "In 2009 he lost his old, faded India cap, when it was stolen from a ground. He was very, very upset about it. It was dear to him and he was extremely proud to wear it." Vijeeta Dravid on her husband Rahul, March 2012

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NasserFan207 International Regular Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Essex Posts: 3,576	Clearly one of Englands best bats in the modern era. __________________ Batsman I tolerate: V. Richards, S. Tendulkar, E. Morgan, N. Hussain. KEVIN O F******* BRIEN

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SteveNZ State Vice-Captain Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 1,298	Surely off-field goings-on affect whether you are an all-time great, as well.

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Xuhaib Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Karachi Posts: 9,394	No. He would struggle to make the current World XI Kallis, Sanga, Clarke surely ahead of him might squeeze in at the 6th spot.

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blahblahblah International 12th Man Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: As always, my room Posts: 1,731	nope, no most of the cases he has come to rescue of England and has been shown to be so good only because rest batted like ****s most of the time So, no.

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Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,731	Probably would go close if he had a "full" career but if it actually does end now then no, IMO. __________________ ~ Cribbage

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