Alan Donald vs Joel Garner

blahblahblah · 14-08-2012, 07:06 AM

I was having this dilemma while i was drafting.

So who do you think was better among the two and why?

I would like to hear because i have seen neither play during there times but only in few replays that come on TV.

MrPrez · 14-08-2012, 12:30 PM

Never watched Garner but have always assumed him way superior.

Monk · 14-08-2012, 01:02 PM

I'd say they're about the same in both test and ODI. Different types of quicks, but both equally lethal and skilful.

Without doubt two of the best ODI bowlers ever.

blahblahblah · 14-08-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Monk

I'd say they're about the same in both test and ODI. Different types of quicks, but both equally lethal and skilful.

Without doubt two of the best ODI bowlers ever.

So if you had to choose one, who would you root for?

benchmark00 · 14-08-2012, 01:18 PM

I reckon his signature is a bit of a give away there...

Agent Nationaux · 14-08-2012, 01:37 PM

Definitely Donald for me, but that's because I have seen him play and he was ferocious.

kyear2 · 14-08-2012, 01:41 PM

I would go for Donald personally. Faster, more aggressive and was a true spear head, while Garner was more of a support bowler for most of his career. Both ATGs though and the gap isnt large at all.

kingkallis · 14-08-2012, 02:47 PM

Donald

watson · 14-08-2012, 03:20 PM

Possibly Donald is the greater bowler because he helped make South Africa great again during their period of transition. As for the better bowler, well that's anyone's guess.

However, bowlers bowl as part of a team so a lot depends on who is helping them at the other end. Would Donald and Garner have their superb records without the help of Pollock and Marshall? The same idea goes for McGrath and Warne, Lillee and Thomson, Lindwall and Miller, Trueman and Statham, and so on.

When I look at someones ATG team I look at the combination of bowlers and try to work out whether they would succeed as a coordinated team, rather than just look at each bowler individually.

NasserFan207 · 14-08-2012, 03:49 PM

Garner was the superior ODI bowler, like others I prefer Donald overall, since he was more of a strike bowler than Garner.

Monk · 14-08-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

I reckon his signature is a bit of a give away there...

Yeh, Garner just. The combo of him and McGrath would put so much pressure on the opposition batsmen.

I'd rate Donald as the third best ODI paceman ever, but I take Imran and Kapil in my team as two bowling all rounders ahead of him as I like 5 genuine bowling options without weakening the batting at 6, 7 and 8.

As a test bowler, hard to call. Donald just I think, but it's bloody hard to argue with Garner's stats. The guy was a beast.

Top_Cat · 14-08-2012, 04:31 PM

tbh, I'm a bit puzzled by this idea that Garner was a support bowler or McGrath-like. Always thought he was incredibly attacking and kept his average and economy rate in check by just taking the **** out then laying the pressure on the new ****.

Garner for me.

benchmark00 · 14-08-2012, 04:32 PM

Garner the taller man and as such, gets my vote.

Top_Cat · 14-08-2012, 04:45 PM

Yeah, good point. Hookesy in his bio said when Garner played for SA, he was the gun and Hogg was the support guy, Garner's trajectory more likely to take poles on Adelaide Oval.

Also said he used to fart a lot which sorta explains why, with Hookesy's spot being in slips, Garner was on the fence most days instead of gully where he was a beast for the WI.

smalishah84 · 14-08-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Also said he used to fart a lot which sorta explains why, with Hookesy's spot being in slips, Garner was on the fence most days instead of gully where he was a beast for the WI[/B].

No wonder he was known as the black wind

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watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,671	Possibly Donald is the greater bowler because he helped make South Africa great again during their period of transition. As for the better bowler, well that's anyone's guess. However, bowlers bowl as part of a team so a lot depends on who is helping them at the other end. Would Donald and Garner have their superb records without the help of Pollock and Marshall? The same idea goes for McGrath and Warne, Lillee and Thomson, Lindwall and Miller, Trueman and Statham, and so on. When I look at someones ATG team I look at the combination of bowlers and try to work out whether they would succeed as a coordinated team, rather than just look at each bowler individually. __________________ 1945-1977 ATG Draft: Desmond Haynes - Roy Fredericks - Rohan Kanhai - Neil Harvey - Clive Lloyd - Asif Iqbal - John Waite - Ray Lindwall - Garth McKenzie - John Snow - Derek Underwood ATG XI: Jack Hobbs - Len Hutton - Don Bradman - Brian Lara - Graham Pollock - Gary Sobers - Alan Knott - Malcolm Marshall - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee- Sydney Barnes

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Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	I'd say they're about the same in both test and ODI. Different types of quicks, but both equally lethal and skilful. Without doubt two of the best ODI bowlers ever.

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Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,184	Yeah, good point. Hookesy in his bio said when Garner played for SA, he was the gun and Hogg was the support guy, Garner's trajectory more likely to take poles on Adelaide Oval. Also said he used to fart a lot which sorta explains why, with Hookesy's spot being in slips, Garner was on the fence most days instead of gully where he was a beast for the WI.

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