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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    It's not about how many ****s in the team or the size of ****entry in the ****. It's about how ****s, whether 1 or 11, are managed and the overarching goal of the team. The ECB would rather lose nice than win ugly. Have a look at this team;

    1st Test: South Africa v Australia at Johannesburg, Feb 22-24, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    They were talented, yes, but so is KP. Swap KP with, say, Martyn and he'd average 60. Swap Warner with Robson now and he'd average 20.

    There is no way in hell that KP is a bigger **** to deal with than any of the top-6 in that line-up yet they demolished all before them and, individually and collectively, utterly dominated. There were plenty of well-known skirmishes between various members during the time when they were smashing all around them. I might add KP was averaging 50+ in one of the winningest periods in English cricket history too. Something changed and I doubt it was him.

    It's cultural.

    EDIT: I will also say that KP should not have been allowed back in the side after his texts to the Saffers. That should have been the end of him right there and then.
    There was a far greater team ethos in that group, though. They all spent their time in the Test team battling their way in, as the junior, whereas KP walked in as a mature man, was put on a pedestal after his first series and could have (not saying that he did because obviously I was never around) gotten away with whatever he liked from the end of his fifth Test.

    None of those players were booted out of two of their state sides, without even touching on what Pietersen in South Africa.

    EDIT: even now, look at someone like Maxwell. Now he's a "knob" (harmless though), but when he gets out at bad times playing Pietersen-esque shots and talks about how he knows that he let the team down terribly, etc. He understands that he gets extra license, but he owes his team in return. KP has the license, but as an opposing fan I never got the feeling that I was watching a guy who felt like he understood that transaction, he did whatever he liked "because I can".
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    There was a far greater team ethos in that group, though. They all spent their time in the Test team battling their way in, as the junior, whereas KP walked in as a mature man, was put on a pedestal after his first series and could have (not saying that he did because obviously I was never around) gotten away with whatever he liked from the end of his fifth Test.

    None of those players were booted out of two of their state sides, without even touching on what Pietersen in South Africa.
    That group had leadership to keep everyone's mind on the job

    Current English team doesn't appear to have any

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    There was a far greater team ethos in that group, though. They all spent their time in the Test team battling their way in, as the junior, whereas KP walked in as a mature man, was put on a pedestal after his first series and could have (not saying that he did because obviously I was never around) gotten away with whatever he liked from the end of his fifth Test.
    All true and he could have, sure. But didn't. Bloke averaged all but 50 in a winning period for the team and played almost 100 Tests, some of his knocks in some really tight situations. It doesn't really gel with KP being an unworkable member of the team, personally. We're all guessing, given (you less so, probably).

    None of them were kicked out, yeah, but anyone who was around in the 90's knew blokes like Hayden weren't getting a go in the Test side because he's a ****wit. It was only because he was already in the set-up that he jagged a few Tests early whereas KP obviously had to wait until he qualified. Hayden, when he was finally picked after Blewwy was dropped was a fully-formed mature player. Would argue he and Martyn got in through weight of runs rather than outstanding team-man qualities.

    The list of awkward characters the Aussie side has handled is pretty long yet they kept winning, is what I'm getting at. They were all humbled, though, by being dropped when it was too much, granted, as opposed to KP who was given the golden ticket. But that's the sort of thing I mean about KP being poorly handled. Was given enough rope to hang himself rather than being pulled up earlier.
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    Funnily enough, Pietersen was probably more successful and comfortable in a team with more "different/out there" characters - Vaughan, Flintoff, etc. When he was the odd one out I guess things turned.
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    What's this I hear about Graeme Smith tweeting KP an asking if the "head boy slipped up" or something similar?
    "I am very happy and it will allow me to have lot more rice."

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    Wasn't tweeted to KP, but he did tweet "did the head boy slip up?":

    https://twitter.com/GraemeSmith49/st...23610191560704
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    Styris to Pietersen, SIX, wow, what a shot, that is awesome...it's a repeat of his six off Muralitharan at Edgbaston, as he switches his grip and reverse-hits Styris over deep cover (or should that be deep square-leg) for a memorable maximum.
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    Styris to Pietersen, SIX, that's the most extraordinary shot, he switches his grip to that of a left-hander and launches Stryis high over long-off for a might six. That is one of the more incredible shots you'll see

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    TC.. WAG.. Love reading your posts Think you have summarized my thoughts on how KP has been managed by England and ECB better than I could have
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    In the end, I think it's so utterly, incomprehensibly boring. There is so much context behind each innings of cricket that dissecting statistics into these small samples is just worthless. No-one has ever been faced with the same situation in which they come out to bat as someone else. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Pietersen View Post
    Wasn't tweeted to KP, but he did tweet "did the head boy slip up?":

    https://twitter.com/GraemeSmith49/st...23610191560704
    Love when modern-day Smith states his view, such a great insight. Clearly something there imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    EDIT: even now, look at someone like Maxwell. Now he's a "knob" (harmless though), but when he gets out at bad times playing Pietersen-esque shots and talks about how he knows that he let the team down terribly, etc. He understands that he gets extra license, but he owes his team in return. KP has the license, but as an opposing fan I never got the feeling that I was watching a guy who felt like he understood that transaction, he did whatever he liked "because I can".
    Missed this. Yes! There have been knobs forever in Aussie cricket but they're turfed, no matter how good they are, when that trust is violated. I, for example, could never have imagined England dropping Warne. Yeah, yeah, publicly it was for form reasons but the epic dummy spit by Warne afterward spoke volumes about what he was bringing into the team at that time.

    Personally, it is and has always been a difference between the club and state-based systems. You know these guys and systems better, what do you think?

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    The Guardian's "The Spin":

    QUOTE OF THE WEEK

    No prizes for guessing what the quote of the week’s is. Andrew Strauss’s blunt description of Kevin Pietersen is in the annals now, alongside David Lloyd’s insistence that “we flippin’ murdered ‘em”, and Eddo Brandes’ infamous riposte to Glenn McGrath. The words rather speak for themselves, but the insatiably curious can hear them here, beneath a fig-leaf bleep.

    Three thoughts occur. The first is that had the slip been made by a professional broadcaster rather than a player-turned pundit, it would surely have resulted in a more severe censure than Strauss has been subjected to. Hard as this may be to believe, you don’t need to be an expert in an enormous number of skills to make a living talking about sport. So it is a little embarrassing to see Strauss working for Sky when he is so oblivious to even the few fundamentals of his job, like not swearing within hearing-distance of the microphone.

    The second is that it is yet another example of how Pietersen’s PR team have run rings around his opponents at the ECB and elsewhere. Add Strauss’s remarks to the list of blunders, along with Paul Downton’s ill-advised comments about Pietersen being “disinterested”, which he was later made to apologise for, the railing against people “outside cricket”, and Giles Clarke’s odd remarks about Cook being from the “right family”. Pietersen is not blameless in this business, but they have certainly done their best to make him look like the victim.

    The third, and most interesting, is that the remarks do at least expose the strength of the anger and resentment that has been festering in the England dressing room in recent years. It may have been common knowledge that Strauss and Pietersen did not get on, but many, surely, will have been shocked to see such naked enmity between the two of them. The journalists who cover the team have only ever been able to hint at how deep the ructions have been. Now they have been laid bare for all to see.

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    They should do a lunchtime interview with Strauss on why KP is a **** IMO

    Has he had any ribbing about it during this Test?

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    Best thing about it IMO was that there was absolutely no context to it at all other than Pietersen getting out.
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    KP's love of biltong is spot on #randomfactoftheday

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