I don't understand how anyone can have a strong view on this either way at the moment, without some pretty reliable inside info. In reality probably none of us know what has gone on, and thus whether the decision was justified. It's not like the ECB didn't understand that in purely cricketing terms dropping him was absurd, and yet they dropped him anyway. Not to say that's necessarily the correct decision, but to me it's not obvious at all that it's the wrong one either.
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Every ex-England player to have commented thus far has slammed the decision, a few of whom played with KP. Granted for some you're going back quite a while but he can't be that bad can he?
Sorry but to me this stinks. And if it's true that he wasn't given a reason (and it's only tosser Morgan saying that so far so...) then that's pretty spineless.
There could be more to come out but prima facie he is a name that's easy to scapegoat.
I'd love to hear Strauss's thoughts on this tbh. His opinion is one that will be worth listening to amongst all of this.
As you mention there not being a coach, it's worth noting that the England test side doesn't currently have a permanent head coach, number three, number four, wicketkeeper or spinner.
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Yes, the whole betraying captain/team to opposition in 2012 was a valid complaint imo. But this one is just wanting to start fresh without someone they dislike.
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I'm getting more pissed off with this with every passing minute
I don't want to live in a world where I agree with Piers Morgan unequivocally on any issue. But I find it hard not to on this one
Well, when I say it's all open of course you've got a basic framework, and people you rate. Yet the important thing for me is to temporarily kill off the closed-shop feel of the England set-up and give everyone hope, and expectation.
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Yet, I would have many in mind from :old faithfuls like Trott Bres, Onions and Monty: to the not given much of a run, Ballance, Kerrigan, Woakes and Borthwick: to the untried youth of Mills, Wood, Barker: to the established ones who may have thought times gone, Hildreth, C.Wright, Mitchell, Allenby; discarded guys who had a decent run, but weren't great Read, Foster, Root, Bopara; oh and probably about 10 others I've forgotten.
TBH we have an 18 county system, surely we should be looking long and hard at all the talent.
BTW talking of Trott, and depression issues, how is Yardy nowadays, he's a better one-day bowler than many we've got.
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This has all happened so quickly, it'z crazy. The blink of an eye and Swann and KP are gone, 4th in the world, and the state of current and prospective personnel in the game positions this as England's most uncertain period since the 90s. It's all a bit hard to process.
I will say this, not just in talent but in culture, I think he was the most important player to come along for England potentially ever. The thing so distinctive about him was how he lent an "un-England like" edge to this cricket side. An aloof, scything presence who unconditionally believed and could put an opposition to the sword in any situation. Larger than life and impossible to fathom. He in my opinion single-handedly prevented the 2005 ashes from going to a familiar script, and brought fans, players and a dramatic shift in English cricket's destiny with him. If you look at him beside every team mate he played with, he is an absolute freak and anomaly in my opinion. He was an absolute gift to the game and to his team mates like Warne was for Australia. I have no idea what they'll do without him.
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Also depends heavily on who said ex-England players are. Some are worth listening to. Strauss will be, as you say, and not just because he was the captain involved in 2012. There are some, however, who I definitely wouldn't be taking too much notice of when it comes to building a cricket team, as it would be like listening to Paul Merson on how to build a football team.
I really thought that if anyone could work with KP it would be Cook and Giles, do we even know if they made the decision? If they didn't and it was higher management then it is an awful decision but if they did I can understand it a little bit more.
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