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    His hypothesis (and it remains a work-in-progress) indicates New Zealand batsmen feel more comfortable or insulated being subject to restrictions or parameters on how they play the game. Those might include fielding restrictions for power plays and a cap of 10 overs per bowler. Limited overs therefore becomes manageable; unlimited overs remains a step too far.

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    Its hard to tell what Baz means by all of this. So I can't really comment. If he is saying NZ benefits by only having to face 10 overs per bowler then I agree. If he is saying they benefit from fielding restrictions then I am not so sure that helps our batting all that much. I usually see a decent number of fielders inside the circle in tests.

    Would like to have a longer explanation of Baz's views basically. He may have some good theories.
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    Short answer - he thinks that our batsmen get caught in two minds far too often in tests, wheras LO largely eliminates this problem.
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    Didn't realise Baz was so high up in the ODI rankings. He's in the top 10 now.

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    After thinking about it more, most of the poorest batting displays during the test series came from test specialists. Brownlie against spin, Fulton's leaves and Rutherford's compulsiveness through the offside are worrying.

    KW and Taylor didn't set the world on fire and McCullum was awful, but now I mostly agree with Hurricane the format change isn't a major part of the story here.

    Speaking of KW, I think being the New Zealand number three is arguably the hardest job in test cricket. Should it come as any surprise to us an inexperienced batsman isn't firing consistently?

    Moving back to ODI cricket, while I find Ronchi playing for New Zealand squicky and I don't particularly rate his technique against the new ball, I think he should be persisted with until the end of the Champions Trophy. If we are going to experiment, two ODIs is too short a time to make any conclusions. After the tournament we will have a much better perspective on Ronchi's suitability to opening.

    If Ronchi fails, we have the option to either bring in Latham as the opener/keeper and accept he might not immediately get comfortable, bring Watling into the middle order since the opening experiment failed with him as well (and bring in another opener), or McCullum moves higher to either five or opener (not ideal) and Ronchi bats at six. I suspect New Zealand will either bring in Watling to open or push McCullum to five, but I would either bring in Latham to open or put Watling at five (and make Latham open), depending on how Grant Elliott goes in the Champions Trophy.
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    Munro 4 opener

    More seriously, I don't want to see Watling opening in ODIs again

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Munro 4 opener
    Would be even better if he opened in tests. Probably if we did that opposition teams would cancel our tours against them. Even Bangers I suspect.

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    Why not Kane?

    Basically opens anyway. Has a good technique and will time the ball well into gaps, which would complement Guptill's power game.

    Watling at three.

    Failing that, I'm hoping Rutherford or Ryder will come good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Why not Kane?

    Basically opens anyway. Has a good technique and will time the ball well into gaps, which would complement Guptill's power game.
    You're talking ODIs right? Might be worth a shot for Williamson to open there - iirc he's done it in a few T20s.

    Def don't want him opening in tests though. Though if he had success opening in ODIs, NZ cricket being what it is, he'd end up opening in tests anyway :/

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    Given a full deck I would open with Guptill and Ryder.

    Since Ryder will probably never play for New Zealand again it's a moot point.

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    It is a mystery to me why Ruthers is not good at List A. But just based on how he travels in T20s I would say he will end up being our established opener by the time the world cup comes around.

    He looks the goods - has shots all around the ground and scores quickly. His shot execution is as good as lathams (this is meant to be praise) but unlike Latham Ruthers has a better off side game.

    I have no idea who should open for the Champions Trophy right now but if I were the selectors I would be experimenting with a new opener for the next game and I would be open to suggestions even some of them out of the box - Latham/Elliot/Franklin/Fulton/Rutherford

    Nothing wrong with opening with Kane as he is already going in early right now - I just wonder if it might hurt his development as he is still young. There is no denying that he has been a work in progress since his initial duck against Praveen Kumar and TumTum writing him off.

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    That thing about Latham not having any offside play is just a figment from first impressions of lusty bottom-handed mows against Zimababwe and HRV bowlers I think tbh. Has a very pretty cover drive and square drive, and if anything is far too willing to get his cut/square dab away from too tight a line.

    Rutherford doesn't pull, his play of spin will prove to be really poor, his lack of a discerning game sense is ****, everything about him is geared toward width creation for his favourite area. Shut that down (or give him a short extra cover or a cover sweeper as the English started doing), he's really a pretty crass and easily neutralised player.
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    Rutherford reminds me of Phil Hughes mk I a bit. I think someone else has said as much before because I remember PEWS wanted to bet Hughes would average more than Rutherford when they weren't even doing a comparison. I think Rutherford could do worse than studying the shiny new technical adjustments his Australian brother from another mother has developed. I haven't seen much of it personally but posters who know what they're talking about when it comes to batting (like PEWS in fact) rate it.

    Or he could just develop a pull shot.

    Agreed on Latham btw Kippax. I've always thought he was offside dominant personally. I'm not sure where the legside mower perception has come from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post
    That thing about Latham not having any offside play is just a figment from first impressions of lusty bottom-handed mows against Zimababwe and HRV bowlers I think tbh. Has a very pretty cover drive and square drive, and if anything is far too willing to get his cut/square dab away from too tight a line.

    Rutherford doesn't pull, his play of spin will prove to be really poor, his lack of a discerning game sense is ****, everything about him is geared toward width creation for his favourite area. Shut that down (or give him a short extra cover or a cover sweeper as the English started doing), he's really a pretty crass and easily neutralised player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    I'm not sure where the legside mower perception has come from.
    Its come from an ODI game where they bowled a foot outside off stump to him and he was clueless.

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