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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Team for NZA?

    Raval, Redmond, Papps, Broom, Young, Anderson, Ronchi, Nethula, Milne, Wheeler, Arnel

    With Sodhi, Crachopa, Latham and Butler going along as well?
    Sodhi for Nethula, Henry for Arnel. Wouldn't totally be against Mitch either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Team for NZA?

    Raval, Redmond, Papps, Broom, Young, Anderson, Ronchi, Nethula, Milne, Wheeler, Arnel

    With Sodhi, Crachopa, Latham and Butler going along as well?
    Raval
    Latham
    Craigchopa
    Broom
    Young
    Mitchell
    Ronchi
    Sodhi
    Henry
    Wheeler
    Milne

    Johnston
    Bartlett
    Anderson
    Carlchopa/Boam/I forget what happened last summer

    We know what Papps, Redmond, Butler etc provide so I wouldn't pick them. I realise you're being realistic with your selection and I'm not though.

    edit: I'm not a big fan of Latham opening either but I want him on that tour and that's where a gap is

    put flynn in there too somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Sodhi for Nethula, Henry for Arnel. Wouldn't totally be against Mitch either.
    I understand the compulsion to go for youth, but it's an NZA side, not an emerging players XI. Nethula comfortably outbowled Sodhi last season, and it's hardly as though his career is about to wrap up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    I understand the compulsion to go for youth, but it's an NZA side, not an emerging players XI. Nethula comfortably outbowled Sodhi last season, and it's hardly as though his career is about to wrap up.
    I don't see any point in sending guys like Arnel over if we already know they aren't and never will be test standard. It's a waste of money, and more importantly it's a waste of an opportunity for younger guys who will be playing tests in the future. The whole team shouldn't be filled up with players with records like Sodhi/Mitch, but if we see enough talent there it's more beneficial to develop those players as best as we possibly can rather than throwing proven failures in their mid-30s in the team because they're slightly better atm.

    1. Jeet Raval
    2. Tom Latham
    3. Craig Cachopa
    4. Neil Broom
    5. Jesse Ryder (should be begging him to make the trip)
    6. Daryl Mitchell
    7. Luke Ronchi+
    8. Ish Sodhi
    9. Matt Henry
    10. Adam Milne
    11. Ben Wheeler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    I understand the compulsion to go for youth, but it's an NZA side, not an emerging players XI. Nethula comfortably outbowled Sodhi last season, and it's hardly as though his career is about to wrap up.
    There's no glory in winning an A series though. If someone has no realistic chance of playing for New Zealand again, then there's no real point picking him. It's great to have some experience on A squads so the younger guys on the trip can learn from those players, but I don't think anyone would call Arnel a natural leader anyway. I'd think about sending someone like Papps to captain the side and see if his P.S. revitalisation could translate to a level above in the same way Fulton's (probably briefly ) did, but there are a lot of young bowlers who are pretty highly rated here so it's a chance to get them some experience abroad.

    If I was going to send an experienced bowler it'd be Butler. Firstly because he's actually improved of late and is worth having a look at, and secondly because he does seem like more of a leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    I don't see any point in sending guys like Arnel over if we already know they aren't and never will be test standard. It's a waste of money, and more importantly it's a waste of an opportunity for younger guys who will be playing tests in the future. The whole team shouldn't be filled up with players with records like Sodhi/Mitch, but if we see enough talent there it's more beneficial to develop those players as best as we possibly can rather than throwing proven failures in their mid-30s in the team because they're slightly better atm.
    Yes because there's no chance that a 30's something cricket could ever make a contribution to the NZ side.


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    worryingly low levels of doom and gloom currently detected in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    If I was going to send an experienced bowler it'd be Butler. Firstly because he's actually improved of late and is worth having a look at, and secondly because he does seem like more of a leader.
    Yeah no Otago players ftr, due to the CL.

    Guptill, Fulton and Brownlie probably all go. NZC bound to be wary of sending another underdone top team to Bangladesh, for another October spring clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Yes because there's no chance that a 30's something cricket could ever make a contribution to the NZ side.

    And that lasted a grand total of one test.

    Contributing in one test < the development of a talented young player

    Maybe if Fulton learned how to leave the ****ing ball when he was 24/25 and not in between tests in this series he could have been a decent test player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    And that lasted a grand total of one test.

    Contributing in one test < the development of a talented young player

    Maybe if Fulton learned how to leave the ****ing ball when he was 24/25 and not in between tests in this series he could have been a decent test player.


    With the exception of the Lord's test, Fulton has been pretty decent in every match since his return - far more consistent than Rutherford.

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    Ish Sodhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post


    With the exception of the Lord's test, Fulton has been pretty decent in every match since his return - far more consistent than Rutherford.
    He's played five tests since his return, take out Auckland and he's averaged 22.

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    Taking out a huge score and him still averaging 22 seems decent. Not sure you could do that with any other kiwi bar Taylor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Taking out a huge score and him still averaging 22 seems decent. Not sure you could do that with any other kiwi bar Taylor.
    It was actually two huge scores.

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