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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezroy View Post
    This this this this this!!!

    Williamson/Taylor/Brownlie/McCullum must think "here we ****ing go again...". I guess that's what makes the SL win so outstanding. Ross and Kane figured they may as well open and forget about the openers.
    There's something in Rutherford. He was outclassed in this game but I think he'll be ok for us in the future.

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    I just laughed - I woke up at 1:30am and couldn't get back to sleep so I was going to watch the cricket but wait New Zealand is out for 68. But don't worry it was good bowling this time and not poor batting they say. Doesn't seem plausible when in every other inning in the game teams scored 200+.

    My other thing I am cheesed off about as a fan - is Baz in the first dig. I don't know anymore if Baz can be counted on. This performance with the bat is not good enough. He makes a trademark 60 and NZ would have made 300. If you can't get in the right frame of mind to pace your inning correctly in a test match in Lords then I don't know what it will take. Going for an expansive drive on 2 runs was an ill conceived idea at best. Captain's need to be play captain's knocks and that was not a captain's knock. Maybe he will grow into the role but he is an experienced player and I think his development curve is over.

    My other criticism to those say he is a great captain is why is Southee batting at 8. How can Watling bat at all sensibly with that sort of nonsense batting going on at the other end.

    He should be #10 end of and should be happy is not 11. Wagner should be 8 as at least he bats with courage.
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    NZ need to get away from the idea that if the batting is horribly weak (which it is) you can improve it by playing an extra batsman or all-rounder who's even more crappy than the guys you've got. And that should be the focus.

    The improvement will be, at best, minimal.

    The improvement NZ can make if they have a fourth bowler who isn't Martin could be huge. If they can bat a bit then it's a bonus. Concentrate on bowling teams out under par and hope for the best when it's your turn to bat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scaly piscine View Post
    nz need to get away from the idea that if the batting is horribly weak (which it is) you can improve it by playing an extra batsman or all-rounder who's even more crappy than the guys you've got. And that should be the focus.

    The improvement will be, at best, minimal.

    The improvement nz can make if they have a fourth bowler who isn't martin could be huge. If they can bat a bit then it's a bonus. Concentrate on bowling teams out under par and hope for the best when it's your turn to bat.
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    One thing I'd add to Scaly's comment is adding a sub par allrounder or Vettori is it is good the top six have been well and truly exposed whenever they entered muppet mode this season. It is for the best. Going back to the mid 00s, the Vettori safety net has been absolving them of responsibility to an extent for too long. We would often turn 150/5 into 250-350 because Vettori/McCullum/Oram/tailender formed a partnership.

    The batsmen need to get better and everyone in the top six has at least one century against one of England, South Africa or Australia aka the three best attacks in the world. Rinse and repeat those hundreds.

    Fulton is the only one who has a technique that can be classed as too poor, and even he has proven he can score runs against good bowlers in the right circumstances.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    One thing I'd add to Scaly's comment is adding a sub par allrounder or Vettori is it is good the top six have been well and truly exposed whenever they entered muppet mode this season. It is for the best. Going back to the mid 00s, the Vettori safety net has been absolving them of responsibility to an extent for too long. We would often turn 150/5 into 250-350 because Vettori/McCullum/Oram/tailender formed a partnership.

    The batsmen need to get better and everyone in the top six has at least one century against one of England, South Africa or Australia aka the three best attacks in the world. Rinse and repeat those hundreds.
    Agreed. Time to throw them in the deep end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    NZ need to get away from the idea that if the batting is horribly weak (which it is) you can improve it by playing an extra batsman or all-rounder who's even more crappy than the guys you've got. And that should be the focus.

    The improvement will be, at best, minimal.

    The improvement NZ can make if they have a fourth bowler who isn't Martin could be huge. If they can bat a bit then it's a bonus. Concentrate on bowling teams out under par and hope for the best when it's your turn to bat.
    Theortically, a happy, fit, in form Ryder would add a reasonable bowling option and bat in the top 6. Still whispers going around that he may be making the Bangladesh trip late this year. Who would you drop though? Have to be Brownlie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Fulton is the only one who has a technique that can be classed as too poor, and even he has proven he can score runs against good bowlers in the right circumstances.
    ie. flat track bully.

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    McCullum
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    Wagner
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    Unfortunately we're just going to have to accept that McCullum will not open. Given this, number six is a better spot for him than number five, with the hope that he can smack around the older ball.

    Openers openers openers, that's what it's all about. Disappointing that last domestic season wasn't a breakthrough season for Raval, Brodie, or even for Rutherford or Latham itbt. Cupboard is bare.

    Edit: Forgot Worker, who is grouped with Raval and Brodie
    Last edited by straw man; 20-05-2013 at 06:07 PM.

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    Time for our favourite list

    Martin Guptill
    Tim McIntosh
    Brad Wilson
    Joseph Yovich
    Jeet Raval
    Jamie How
    Michael Papps
    Josh Brodie
    Stephen Murdoch
    Peter Fulton
    Rob Nicol
    George Worker
    Tom Latham
    Hamish Rutherford
    Aaron Redmond
    Last edited by Flem274*; 20-05-2013 at 05:25 PM.

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    Latham too though right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Latham too though right?
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    If Fulton retires in 12 months and Rutherford's form goes through a non unexpected dip, Aaron Redmond will be back in the team, opening with Guptill.

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    I reckon they'd go for Raval sooner than back to Redmond.

    Well I would, at least.

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