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    On the Radiosport headlines this morning, they said Hesson wants Baz in the middle order, but doesn't want to promote Watling to open. WTF? How is that going to work. TBH I wouldnt mind seeing Ronchi at 7 and Watling with McCullum opening, rather than Guptill and say Fulton opening.

    They are now seeming desperate to get Ryder back, and are meeting with him in a couple weeks. I wouldn't mind seeing Jess say "piss off, sort your own sh*t out." But really we need him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    On the Radiosport headlines this morning, they said Hesson wants Baz in the middle order, but doesn't want to promote Watling to open. WTF? How is that going to work. TBH I wouldnt mind seeing Ronchi at 7 and Watling with McCullum opening, rather than Guptill and say Fulton opening.
    This means they want to drop Flynn and they're going to persist with Guptill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    On the Radiosport headlines this morning, they said Hesson wants Baz in the middle order, but doesn't want to promote Watling to open. WTF? How is that going to work. TBH I wouldnt mind seeing Ronchi at 7 and Watling with McCullum opening, rather than Guptill and say Fulton opening.

    They are now seeming desperate to get Ryder back, and are meeting with him in a couple weeks. I wouldn't mind seeing Jess say "piss off, sort your own sh*t out." But really we need him.
    Hey remember when Bracewell got random middle order players to open? I do hope for Brownlie's sake that Hesson isn't going to emulate that line of thinking.Edit: or even Williamson...
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    Yeah, assuming that Ryder isn't back for the England series, this probably means Hesson is targeting the following top 7:

    Opener A
    Guptill
    Williamson
    Taylor
    McCullum
    Brownlie
    Watling

    That lineup leaves the team worryingly light on bowling options, although I suppose Brownlie can dribble down some medium pace in a pinch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Yeah, assuming that Ryder isn't back for the England series, this probably means Hesson is targeting the following top 7:

    Opener A
    Guptill
    Williamson
    Taylor
    McCullum
    Brownlie
    Watling

    That lineup leaves the team worryingly light on bowling options, although I suppose Brownlie can dribble down some medium pace in a pinch.
    Ryder to open in a David Warner/Sehwag style attacking role.

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    So how about:

    Brownlie/Fulton
    Guptill
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Ryder
    McCullum
    Watling
    Vettori
    Bracewell
    Southee
    Boult

    Not the line up I'd personally go with but I get the feeling that's what they're aiming for.

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    Brownlie cannot play the new ball. He's good at exploiting the older ball with tired bowlers so he needs to stay at 5 or 6.
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    Ploy to keep Taylor out? McCullum wants to move to 4, Brownlie can't be dropped after tonning up. You need Watling at 6 to allow for Vettori at 7 and 4 quicks.

    Jams up the middle order so Hesson can justify not picking Ross.


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    wouldn't surprise me if Hesson is trying to shaft Ross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentOne View Post
    wouldn't surprise me if Hesson is trying to shaft Ross.
    1. D Brownlie
    2. C Munro
    3. K Williamson
    4. B McCullum
    5. B Watling
    6. L Ronchi+
    7. N McCullum
    8. J Patel
    9. D Bracewell
    10. T Southee
    11. T Boult


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    Franklin in for Bracewell

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    I think Hesson is correct up to a point. McCullum should have always stayed in the middle order.

    The problem is that since he's moved to opening we have not picked out any other promising openers, but we have picked out tons of middle order batsmen.

    Indeed in the case of Watling we've asked him to move into the middle order and take the gloves.

    Moving around the order has also reduced McCullum's accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    1. D Brownlie
    2. C Munro
    3. K Williamson
    4. B McCullum
    5. B Watling
    6. L Ronchi+
    7. N McCullum
    8. J Patel
    9. D Bracewell
    10. T Southee
    11. T Boult

    Surely you can find a spot for Wagner somewhere, and Bulter deserves a spot for topping the wickets table

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    The problem is that since he's moved to opening we have not picked out any other promising openers, but we have picked out tons of middle order batsmen.
    It's because we don't have any. Guptill was the most promising of a bad bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    It's because we don't have any. Guptill was the most promising of a bad bunch.
    Well, not even promising. Just someone who could average 30 and soak up a ****load of deliveries.

    The Craig Cummings, Tim McIntosh's, Aaron Redmonds etc would have had more of a chance to stake their place in the team had McCullum not switched.

    Now we're not even left with an incumbent, because there's no way Guptill can be retained.

    In my book this means that it is best for the team if McCullum remains an opener.

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