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    Look how bad these numbers are:

    MJ Guptill 31.41
    BB McCullum 35.38
    KS Williamson 32.12
    DG Brownlie 28.84
    DR Flynn 27.67
    BJ Watling 27.69
    JEC Franklin 20.68

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Look how bad these numbers are:

    MJ Guptill 31.41
    BB McCullum 35.38
    KS Williamson 32.12
    DG Brownlie 28.84
    DR Flynn 27.67
    BJ Watling 27.69
    JEC Franklin 20.68
    One would expect Williamson's average will improve, and bats well when we have other people who can actually bat in the side i.e. Taylor. Guptill still remains a mystery as to whether he's up to it or whether he'll go the way the rest of recent openers (tried, failed, re-tried, fail, re-try, one success, fail and dropped for good) while the others (not incl. Baz and Franks) are the right side of 30 and if dropped will probably wander back into the side at some point.

    The over 30s (bar Nicol) who were the previous tennants:
    van Wyk 21.31
    Nicol 7
    Ingram 15.25
    McIntosh 27.54
    Redmond 23.00
    Elliott 10.75
    How 22.70
    Fulton 20.93
    Papps 16.40

    So you'd think if they're waiting for averages to fall the current players are a few Tests away at least. And who else is knocking on the door, waiting to come in? Of those not already tried (Redmond current leading domestic runscorer, Fulton, Papps and Yovich there abouts) it's Munro, Carl Cachopa and Luke Ronchi. And if Ronchi gets a run you just know Watling will be the one out, despite him being a better bat than Flynn (IMO), and about level with Brownlie.
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    Yay this thread is back!

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    At least our captain has the dressing room though, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Look how bad these numbers are:

    MJ Guptill 31.41
    BB McCullum 35.38
    KS Williamson 32.12
    DG Brownlie 28.84
    DR Flynn 27.67
    BJ Watling 27.69
    JEC Franklin 20.68
    Sincas 32.05
    Lou 34.15



    But then, by the same token, Marshall - 38.35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Look how bad these numbers are:

    MJ Guptill 31.41
    BB McCullum 35.38
    KS Williamson 32.12
    DG Brownlie 28.84
    DR Flynn 27.67
    BJ Watling 27.69
    JEC Franklin 20.68
    Not to be a **** but would you mind removing runs vs Zimbabwe, Bangladesh in NZ, McCullum pre-opener and Franklin pre-'batsman'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Not to be a **** but would you mind removing runs vs Zimbabwe, Bangladesh in NZ, McCullum pre-opener and Franklin pre-'batsman'?
    Zimbabwe managed 51 against us, which is 6 better than 45. Over-simplified comparison, but really, without 3-4 key players, we're minnows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Zimbabwe managed 51 against us, which is 6 better than 45. Over-simplified comparison, but really, without 3-4 key players, we're minnows.
    While this is largely true, I'm interested in how our batsmen fair against international quality bowling and there's no point counting runs scored against Zim in that.

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    these averages say it all, not test standard batting, i.e. above 40 from anyone. get taylor ryder and ronchi in and we may have half a chance. surely martins last test also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Not to be a **** but would you mind removing runs vs Zimbabwe, Bangladesh in NZ, McCullum pre-opener and Franklin pre-'batsman'?
    Against non-minnows:
    Brendon McCullum averages 37.28 as an opener.
    Martin Guptill 25.71
    Kane Williamson 31.30
    Dean Brownlie 30.30
    Daniel Flynn 26.31
    BJ Watling 22.44
    James Franklin 18.73 (2008-now)

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    Daniel Flynn can't be put in the same bracket as the rest yet imo. Was competent in SL and looked good last night before he was forced to slog at 9 down.

    I'm feeling very apathetic atm itbt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Against non-minnows:
    Brendon McCullum averages 37.28 as an opener.
    Martin Guptill 25.71
    Kane Williamson 31.30
    Dean Brownlie 30.30
    Daniel Flynn 26.31
    BJ Watling 22.44
    James Franklin 18.73 (2008-now)
    You're the man .

    Our batsmen are not the man.

    McCullum's average still dining out on that double hundred vs India back in 2010 too.

    Sad thing is that that excluding injured/unavailable players and not counting perennial non-contributor James Franklin, there's noone else I'd rather have in that batting lineup right now.
    Last edited by straw man; 02-01-2013 at 05:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Daniel Flynn can't be put in the same bracket as the rest yet imo. Was competent in SL and looked good last night before he was forced to slog at 9 down.
    Best score under 10 since Rob Quiney's impressive debut 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    And change how we train players, too. Batting techniques throughout the country seem quite rotten.
    Yeah, and when they do have a good technique we try and coach it out of them:

    Over-coached as a teen, Boam is essentially still a very orthodox player. But at the behest of Firebirds coach Jamie Siddons, Boam is now trying to become a hitter too, particularly in the Twenty20 format.
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    You couldn't make this up.

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