Must say I never saw the appeal of Redmond. Would have preferred someone like Cumming was given a few more chances back in those days. Either way, it's damn good our test side has two settled openers now, even if they're rather average by international standards.
Thought this chase might have been tricky for Otago but they've (all but) killed it. Tastle 1/77 in 4th innings not exactly impressive.
Hard to see a result coming in the other match unless Wellington collapse on the final day.
Would have preferred someone like Cumming was given a few more chances back in those days. [/QUOTE]
Agreed, Cumming should've had more chances. It kinda seemed like the selectors just forgot about him.
Redmond was nothing more than the last Rob Nicol. They both bashed around minnows in the shorter formats a couple of times despite largely being anchor batsmen in domestic limited overs cricket, bowled some part-time tweakers and predictably looked all at see at Test level after only being good-but-not-exceptional domestic players across their careers. Redmond probably shouldn't have played for New Zealand at all IMO.
I always saw Cumming as a bit of a weird case. When he was actually in the Test side he probably didn't really deserve to be there, but he didn't look completely out of place other than the technical fault he had wrt lbws (which could obviously be worked on). A couple of years after he'd been dropped he was really banging down the door though and only got the call-up to play a couple of one dayers as a middle order batsman, which was never going to be his go. I really thought he was a worth another try as a Test opener during his domestic peak, even though he was on the wrong side of 30 by that point.
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Cumming looked completely out of his depth at test level tbh.
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Anyway, Wellington with a rapidly narrowing window of opportunity here to make something of this match.
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Redmond's style of play at test level was very strange. He played like a stonewaller in his first 6 tests before smacking the ball all over the place at the Adelaide oval which funnily enough was his last test.
Cumming wasn't too bad. Could see off the new ball more often than not before getting out after being well set. Unlucky to have been cracked in the face by Steyn while on 48 where he looked well on his way.
Both Redmond and Cumming had incidents in their last Test that cost them playing more. Redmond was on about 80 odd and played a horrible shot straight down mid wicket's throat at the Adelaide Oval - possibly off Hauritz. He'd batted very well until then and was seemingly dropped for the shot. I remember Martin Crowe being very critical of that decision. Then Cumming was playing very well for 47 or so on a lively SA wicket against a red-hot Dale Steyn then wore one in the melon, and never got a look-in again.
Redmond was dropped both for his first and second innings dismissals in that match. Second innings, NZ had to bat two and a bit days to save the match - Redmond and How got through to stumps (Redmond took 12 off Lee's first over...) then the following morning :
"Good morning and welcome to the fourth day at the Adelaide Oval. This is Kanishkaa returning to take you through today as well. As usual, it's a very good morning to Raghav, Peter and Brydon.
It's a battle for survival really for New Zealand and like Australia, will need at least a couple of hundreds to frustrate the home side. The pitch's still good for batting so they just need to take it session by session.
9.1 Lee to Redmond, FOUR, extravagant shot to start off with, it's short of a length outside off and sits up for Redmond to flat-bat it past mid-off, it was well wide of the fielder anyway
9.2 Lee to Redmond, OUT, it doesn't take too long for Australia to strike, Lee bowls it fractionally short of a length outside off and tempts Redmond to go for the slash, he fails to keep it down however and Clarke at cover point takes it easily, Redmond could well have left it alone
AJ Redmond c Clarke b Lee 19 (40m 33b 4x4 0x6) SR: 57.57
Not exactly how Wright and Edgar would have approached the task....
I've let myself down on both fronts there - that wasn't Cumming's last Test when he was flattened by Steyn. He came back for a series two months later and struggled v Bangladesh. I'd say he lost a lot of confident when a ton in SA might have seen him kick on. Crazy, 10 of Cumming's 17 Test dismissals were lbw.
I thought at the time Redmond deserved a bit more leeway. He had produced some fight in a Test we well could have lost in Bangladesh, then struggled a bit in Australia but did make that 83 against a reasonable attack. Others have had a lot more of a crack in different circumstances.
Crowe demanded Redmond's dropping rather than being critical of it ftr.
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