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    Quote Originally Posted by otagoman View Post
    Whatever happened to Greg Morgan? He was the third highly touted player (Well 4th with Corey Anderson) from the age group team that included Southee and Boult
    He's gone backwards since scoring 80 on FC debut and being a very dependable death option for the Aces in T20. Mixture of injury (back surgery a year or so ago) and some questionable decisions to which way he wanted to form his game. Has gone from a hard-hitting middle order batsman with slippery pace and an outswinger to a gun barrel straight bowler with slightly less pace and a much less dangerous batsman, albeit technically better. If he's ever going to get in the Auckland set-up again it'll be as a four-day batsman who bowls a bit.

    Ajaz Patel is a slow left-arm orthodox, incidentally. Don't know DOB. Used to bowl left-arm swing and changed. Quite a decent T20/limited overs bowler.

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    Those stats very much paint a picture of a bowler, generally he batted 8-9 in those games.

    Yet for the national team, he was batting top 6 and bowled less than Horne: Cricket Records | Records | Quadrangular Under-19 Series (Australia), 2012 - New Zealand Under-19s | Batting and bowling averages | ESPN Cricinfo
    Found this just now when I was setting up an Ish Sodhi google alert for the season.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...day-play-opens

    His non-return has created a leadership vacancy and the club has appointed Nick Kelly, 19, to the role. Kelly, a middle-order batsman and left-arm spinner, toured Australia with the NZ Under 19s earlier this year.
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    Shouldn't really bat No. 9 anywhere in NZ, even if he played Plunket. Presume Counties said "this is nasty weekend warriors cricket, he's too young, play him down the order".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post
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    Found this just now when I was setting up an Ish Sodhi google alert for the season.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...day-play-opens



    Nick Kelly, April 2012 - YouTube

    Shouldn't really bat No. 9 anywhere in NZ, even if he played Plunket. Presume Counties said "this is nasty weekend warriors cricket, he's too young, play him down the order".
    More gold!

    On Kelly, whilst it doesn't really explain why he batted so low at U18 level, I'd say he looks to have some talent. Very quick feet and a bit of panache. Looks like a bit of a nut, too! Maybe this is why he's been made skipper.

    All told I'll make him a No.6 with batting his strong suit (good off his legs, not bad through the covers either). I think his spin will evolve into that kind of semi-all-rounder type, even if it was once his main strength.

    So it's settled, then: he's KP

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    Hmm, just spotted that Kelly was not out in all four of his ND U18 knocks, coming in late. Maybe they just didn't realise he could bat?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket CoachDB View Post
    Hmm, just spotted that Kelly was not out in all four of his ND U18 knocks, coming in late. Maybe they just didn't realise he could bat?
    That was almost two years ago now though tbf, a lot can change for a cricketer at 17/18. Take Tamati Clarke a few years ago (another CM player). Opening left arm quick for ND Under 17's batting 10/11, fast forward one year and he's in the NZ under 19 team as a middle order bat bowling some left arm spin.
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    Hence my KP comment-he was a SLA bowler and lower-order bat as a kid, y'know.

    What may be of interest to Wellington fans is that Michael Vaughan thinks that Chris Woakes will eventually be a better batsman that he is a bowler. And he's a bloody good bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket CoachDB View Post
    More gold!

    On Kelly, whilst it doesn't really explain why he batted so low at U18 level, I'd say he looks to have some talent. Very quick feet and a bit of panache. Looks like a bit of a nut, too! Maybe this is why he's been made skipper.

    All told I'll make him a No.6 with batting his strong suit (good off his legs, not bad through the covers either). I think his spin will evolve into that kind of semi-all-rounder type, even if it was once his main strength.

    So it's settled, then: he's KP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket CoachDB View Post
    Hence my KP comment-he was a SLA bowler and lower-order bat as a kid, y'know.

    What may be of interest to Wellington fans is that Michael Vaughan thinks that Chris Woakes will eventually be a better batsman that he is a bowler. And he's a bloody good bowler.
    Woakes signing up the Franklin school of "becoming **** at bowling" is he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket CoachDB View Post
    What may be of interest to Wellington fans is that Michael Vaughan thinks that Chris Woakes will eventually be a better batsman that he is a bowler. And he's a bloody good bowler.
    That's been said about him by lots of people ever since he was a kid; I think it's as much about people not really rating his bowling as highly as his performances dictate as it actually about his batting though. The fact that he's come into county cricket and immediately become an almost unparalleled opening bowler at that level across his career has been quite a surprise, even to those who rated him as the next big thing.

    His batting has always been perceived to have more natural talent about it; Nick Knight went on record to say that he was the second best young batsman he'd ever seen come out of Warwickshire after Ian Bell, and that the gap wasn't very large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket CoachDB View Post
    What may be of interest to Wellington fans is that Michael Vaughan thinks that Chris Woakes will eventually be a better batsman that he is a bowler. And he's a bloody good bowler.
    Not really of interest as I value Michael Vaughan's opinion about as highly as I value the opinion of Athlai's current crab infestation.
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    Might venture on some season-opening XIs...

    Brodie vs. How
    Papps vs. Raval
    Murdoch vs. Cachopa
    Ryder vs. Sinclair
    Elliott vs. Noema-Barnett
    Woodcock vs. Young
    Ronchi/Papps vs. van Wyk
    Boam/Friday/Hutchinson/Gillespie vs. Bracewell
    Jeets vs. Nethula
    Kuggs vs. Small
    McKay vs. Wheeler/Mathieson/Badenhorst

    I'd be hopeful Jeets can make his a 10-8 round tbf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    That's been said about him by lots of people ever since he was a kid; I think it's as much about people not really rating his bowling as highly as his performances dictate as it actually about his batting though. The fact that he's come into county cricket and immediately become an almost unparalleled opening bowler at that level across his career has been quite a surprise, even to those who rated him as the next big thing.

    His batting has always been perceived to have more natural talent about it; Nick Knight went on record to say that he was the second best young batsman he'd ever seen come out of Warwickshire after Ian Bell, and that the gap wasn't very large.

    Yes, Vaughan for one doesn't seem to particularly rate his bowling. I've heard many TMS comments about how he "lacks the pace to trouble international batsmen". Which is utter hogwash IMO: sure he's suited to swinging it in English conditions, but he's a genuine RFM-and smart. His 6/45 versus the Aussies was ample evidence of that. If anything may hold his bowling back, it's the persistent injuries he's had.

    His batting came later in terms of results-he was very much a number 8/9 early on, but has always played with freedom and belief. He's undergoing something of an Emburey-like rise through the batting order, and he would be a top 6 at most Counties by now (we have a stupidly deep order at Warwickshire). I don't think he'll ever be a genuine Test class batsman, but he is already superior to Bresnan, Broad and co, and would do great at 7 with someone like Prior ahead of him. Then we might be able to talk about a truly balanced England team for the first time post-Flintoff, especially on the Subcontinent. I'd have him on the tour of India now for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post
    Might venture on some season-opening XIs...

    Brodie vs. How
    Papps vs. Raval
    Murdoch vs. Cachopa
    Ryder vs. Sinclair
    Elliott vs. Noema-Barnett
    Woodcock vs. Young
    Ronchi/Papps vs. van Wyk
    Boam/Friday/Hutchinson/Gillespie vs. Bracewell
    Jeets vs. Nethula
    Kuggs vs. Small
    McKay vs. Wheeler/Mathieson/Badenhorst

    I'd be hopeful Jeets can make his a 10-8 round tbf.
    I'd forgotten about Dane Hutchinson. Some pretty impressive Grade statistics last season that make you wonder if he wouldn't have deserved a Futures chance: http://mycricket.cricket.com.au/comm...entityid=12832

    It'll be interesting to see how he goes: although I think he'll be behind Kuggeleijn, if Gillespie isn't back, I think he'll start ahead of Friday.

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    Worker vs. Rutherford
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    U19's Davidson? vs. Wells
    B Cachopa vs. de Boorder
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