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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    ATG isn't an acronym.

    I couldn't take it anymore.
    But it comes up in about every second thread. Surely it's become one by now
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    I always thought that there were three tiers to rank a gun player. It's still subjective but most people have general feelings towards a player's skill - by that I mean no one thinks Inzy is a **** batsman - but things might differ somewhat between people. IMO it comes down to the 'impact' of a player (basically the 'he was a god' factor. For example...

    Gold tier - Wally Hammond, Javed Miandad
    Silver tier - Kevin Pietersen, Inzamam Ul-Haq
    Bronze tier - Colin Cowdrey, Saeed Anwar
    Others - Anyone who you don't feel is worthy of being mentioned in conversations about their nation's best ever XI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I always thought that there were three tiers to rank a gun player. It's still subjective but most people have general feelings towards a player's skill - by that I mean no one thinks Inzy is a **** batsman - but things might differ somewhat between people. IMO it comes down to the 'impact' of a player (basically the 'he was a god' factor. For example...

    Gold tier - Wally Hammond, Javed Miandad
    Silver tier - Kevin Pietersen, Inzamam Ul-Haq
    Bronze tier - Colin Cowdrey, Saeed Anwar
    Others - Anyone who you don't feel is worthy of being mentioned in conversations about their nation's best ever XI
    the above list seems pretty accurate as far as Pak all time batting is concerned.
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    the above list seems pretty accurate as far as Pak all time batting is concerned.
    Where would you rate Zaheer Abbas out of curiosity?


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    An absolute minimum is that you be the best at your discipline when you played. For me, the word is thrown around too much. I struggle to actually find enough players I would consider an ATG to make an XI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Where would you rate Zaheer Abbas out of curiosity?
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    Did the player make the World XI squad on Mega Drive's Brian Lara Cricket? If not, he's struggling to be an ATG for my money.

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    But realistically I just consider top Cricketers in each era as ATG's unless the era was completely weak if that could ever happen. ATG can be like a performance hall of fame, it doesn't have to be just the best XI or so players ever.

    Overall average is a **** way to determine ATG, performances against the strong countries is extremely important for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Did the player make the World XI squad on Mega Drive's Brian Lara Cricket? If not, he's struggling to be an ATG for my money.
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    So top (Gold) tier Batsmen:
    Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad, Dravid

    Bolwers:
    Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller, Garner.

    Keepers/All Rounders:
    Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham.

    Looks about right?
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    So top (Gold) tier Batsmen:
    Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad.

    Bolwers:
    Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller.

    Keepers/All Rounders:
    Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham.

    Looks about right?
    I would add Dravid to Gold list.

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    I would probably say that he'd have to have a reasonable chance of making an all decade XI at the very least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    So top (Gold) tier Batsmen:
    Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad, Dravid

    Bolwers:
    Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller, Garner.

    Keepers/All Rounders:
    Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham.

    Looks about right?
    Neil Harvey, Dudley Nourse, Denis Compton, Charlie Macartney, Clyde Walcott, Clem Hill, Vijay Hazare and Frank Worrell are easy gold tier bats for me

    Alan Davidson, Shaun Pollock, Harold Larwood, Clarrie Grimmett, Hedley Verity, Richie Benaud and Mike Procter are certain gold tiers too
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