Defining the acronym- ATG - Page 3

Jager · 12-07-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flem274*

ATG isn't an acronym.

I couldn't take it anymore.

But it comes up in about every second thread. Surely it's become one by now

Jager · 16-08-2012, 03:02 AM

I always thought that there were three tiers to rank a gun player. It's still subjective but most people have general feelings towards a player's skill - by that I mean no one thinks Inzy is a **** batsman - but things might differ somewhat between people. IMO it comes down to the 'impact' of a player (basically the 'he was a god' factor. For example...

Gold tier - Wally Hammond, Javed Miandad
Silver tier - Kevin Pietersen, Inzamam Ul-Haq
Bronze tier - Colin Cowdrey, Saeed Anwar
Others - Anyone who you don't feel is worthy of being mentioned in conversations about their nation's best ever XI

smalishah84 · 16-08-2012, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

I always thought that there were three tiers to rank a gun player. It's still subjective but most people have general feelings towards a player's skill - by that I mean no one thinks Inzy is a **** batsman - but things might differ somewhat between people. IMO it comes down to the 'impact' of a player (basically the 'he was a god' factor. For example...

Gold tier - Wally Hammond, Javed Miandad
Silver tier - Kevin Pietersen, Inzamam Ul-Haq
Bronze tier - Colin Cowdrey, Saeed Anwar
Others - Anyone who you don't feel is worthy of being mentioned in conversations about their nation's best ever XI

the above list seems pretty accurate as far as Pak all time batting is concerned.

Jager · 16-08-2012, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smalishah84

the above list seems pretty accurate as far as Pak all time batting is concerned.

Where would you rate Zaheer Abbas out of curiosity?

Debris · 16-08-2012, 03:39 AM

An absolute minimum is that you be the best at your discipline when you played. For me, the word is thrown around too much. I struggle to actually find enough players I would consider an ATG to make an XI

smalishah84 · 16-08-2012, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

Where would you rate Zaheer Abbas out of curiosity?

Bronze

NUFAN · 16-08-2012, 04:14 AM

Did the player make the World XI squad on Mega Drive's Brian Lara Cricket? If not, he's struggling to be an ATG for my money.

NUFAN · 16-08-2012, 04:17 AM

But realistically I just consider top Cricketers in each era as ATG's unless the era was completely weak if that could ever happen. ATG can be like a performance hall of fame, it doesn't have to be just the best XI or so players ever.

Overall average is a **** way to determine ATG, performances against the strong countries is extremely important for me.

benchmark00 · 16-08-2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NUFAN

Did the player make the World XI squad on Mega Drive's Brian Lara Cricket? If not, he's struggling to be an ATG for my money.

Cheeqs prolific in that game.

kyear2 · 31-08-2012, 11:56 AM

So top (Gold) tier Batsmen:
Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad, Dravid

Bolwers:
Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller, Garner.

Keepers/All Rounders:
Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham.

Looks about right?

Pup Clarke · 31-08-2012, 12:03 PM

Apart from Steyn, yeah.

Trichromatic · 31-08-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kyear2

So top (Gold) tier Batsmen:
Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad.

Bolwers:
Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller.

Keepers/All Rounders:
Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham.

Looks about right?

I would add Dravid to Gold list.

silentstriker · 31-08-2012, 07:33 PM

I would probably say that he'd have to have a reasonable chance of making an all decade XI at the very least.

kyear2 · 31-08-2012, 07:43 PM

Added.

Jager · 31-08-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kyear2

So top (Gold) tier Batsmen:
Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad, Dravid

Bolwers:
Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller, Garner.

Keepers/All Rounders:
Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham.

Looks about right?

Neil Harvey, Dudley Nourse, Denis Compton, Charlie Macartney, Clyde Walcott, Clem Hill, Vijay Hazare and Frank Worrell are easy gold tier bats for me

Alan Davidson, Shaun Pollock, Harold Larwood, Clarrie Grimmett, Hedley Verity, Richie Benaud and Mike Procter are certain gold tiers too

31-08-2012, 11:56 AM	#40 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,506	So top (Gold) tier Batsmen: Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar, Sutcliffe, Trumper, B. Richards, Bradman, Headley, Hammond, Ponting, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Chappell, Lara, Pollock, Kallis, Weekes, Border, Miandad, Dravid Bolwers: Marshall, Warne, Mcgrath, Lillee, Ambrose, Trueman, Hadlee, Holding, Lindwall, O'Reilly, Laker, Imran, Akran, Younis, Barnes, Donald, Steyn, Miller, Garner. Keepers/All Rounders: Gilchrist, Knott, Ames, Botham. Looks about right? __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes Last edited by kyear2; 31-08-2012 at 07:43 PM.

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16-08-2012, 03:02 AM	#32 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	I always thought that there were three tiers to rank a gun player. It's still subjective but most people have general feelings towards a player's skill - by that I mean no one thinks Inzy is a **** batsman - but things might differ somewhat between people. IMO it comes down to the 'impact' of a player (basically the 'he was a god' factor. For example... Gold tier - Wally Hammond, Javed Miandad Silver tier - Kevin Pietersen, Inzamam Ul-Haq Bronze tier - Colin Cowdrey, Saeed Anwar Others - Anyone who you don't feel is worthy of being mentioned in conversations about their nation's best ever XI

16-08-2012, 03:39 AM	#35 (permalink)
Debris State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: sydney Posts: 1,259	An absolute minimum is that you be the best at your discipline when you played. For me, the word is thrown around too much. I struggle to actually find enough players I would consider an ATG to make an XI

16-08-2012, 04:14 AM	#37 (permalink)
NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,753	Did the player make the World XI squad on Mega Drive's Brian Lara Cricket? If not, he's struggling to be an ATG for my money.

16-08-2012, 04:17 AM	#38 (permalink)
NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,753	But realistically I just consider top Cricketers in each era as ATG's unless the era was completely weak if that could ever happen. ATG can be like a performance hall of fame, it doesn't have to be just the best XI or so players ever. Overall average is a **** way to determine ATG, performances against the strong countries is extremely important for me.

31-08-2012, 07:43 PM	#44 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,506	Added.

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