How good is Sanga?

[CWB304]

How many of them as wicket keeper? Do wicket keeper has to average 40 with the bat every series? Half truth is worse than lies.

Do not feed the trolls.

 

[Jassy]

Ah the cherry picking brigade again. Let us ignore the fact that he was a top order bat just because we don't like it. Do you know what Michael Clarke averages when he didn't field at slips or what Ricky Ponting did when he didn't field at short leg? Or maybe our resident troll CWB can tell us what ABD averages when he keeps....he has lots of free time now that KP has retired anyway

If pointing out that Rahane is about to have as many 50 plus series outside the subcontinent already as Sanga has had in his entire career is trolling then okay!

 

[Maximas]

If it's not subcontinental pitches it's 'dead' overseas pitches, fmd, then again, NZ 2006 was pretty flat

 

[Maximas]

Do not feed the trolls.

Don't really understand this sentiment though, the guy can have an opinion

 

[CWB304]

Didn't say he couldn't, was simply advising a sensible poster to not respond to a known provocateur.

 

[Jassy]

If it's not subcontinental pitches it's 'dead' overseas pitches, fmd, then again, NZ 2006 was pretty flat

No, nor will you ever hear me say that. Those 2 knocks were the best Sanga has played IMO and those were not flat pitches. I agree for sure but that was 2006. Phil Hughes got 2 tons in a match vs Steyn and co, Sehwag played a blinder vs Pollock and Ntini in his first test and that was in SA...the fact is Sanga has not been consistent enough. He has 3 series in 14 outside the SC where he averages 50 plus (that is counting Hobart test as a series, the recent England one and the NZ one)....a bloke like Rahane is about to have 3 in 3!

Just consider this...Kohli currently has 3 centuries outside the SC...has had a brilliant series in SA(not dissimilar to Sanga in 2006) and a brilliant one in NZ. If he abysmally fails here and never plays a test again outside the SC but gets 5 tons each in Pak and SL will he go down as an ATG? Serious question.


Contrary to what people think, I don't think Sanga sucks....no cricketer can score that many runs or take a lot of wickets at international level without having talent. I just don't think Sanga as a batsman is as good as Tendulkar or Lara or Ponting...or even dravid and Kallis. He is a tier below that IMO in the class of Mohammad Yousuf, Sehwag, Jayawardene etc.

 

[Flem274*]

No, nor will you ever hear me say that. Those 2 knocks were the best Sanga has played IMO and those were not flat pitches. I agree for sure but that was 2006. Phil Hughes got 2 tons in a match vs Steyn and co, Sehwag played a blinder vs Pollock and Ntini in his first test and that was in SA...the fact is Sanga has not been consistent enough. He has 3 series in 14 outside the SC where he averages 50 plus (that is counting Hobart test as a series, the recent England one and the NZ one)....a bloke like Rahane is about to have 3 in 3!

Just consider this...Kohli currently has 3 centuries outside the SC...has had a brilliant series in SA(not dissimilar to Sanga in 2006) and a brilliant one in NZ. If he abysmally fails here and never plays a test again outside the SC but gets 5 tons each in Pak and SL will he go down as an ATG? Serious question.


Contrary to what people think, I don't think Sanga sucks....no cricketer can score that many runs or take a lot of wickets at international level without having talent. I just don't think Sanga as a batsman is as good as Tendulkar or Lara or Ponting...or even dravid and Kallis. He is a tier below that IMO in the class of Mohammad Yousuf, Sehwag, Jayawardene etc.

Maybe if he scored that ton in the first test and not on the afternoon of day 5 with no chance of a result...

Those other two tons were superb though.

 

[Jassy]

Didn't say he couldn't, was simply advising a sensible poster to not respond to a known provocateur.

Pietersen vs Sanga. Thoughts?

 

[Maximas]

Consider this, runs outside the SC are not the be all end all, Sanga in the same class as Jayawardene is highly disputable as well, he is at the very least between that class and the Dravid/Kallis class, IMO he is on par with them two and below Lara/Tendulkar, I'm not certain where Ponting fits in.

 

[Maximas]

And at least update your sig man

 

[Jassy]

Maybe if he scored that ton in the first test and not on the afternoon of day 5 with no chance of a result...

And yet when I made a point about Sanga in England the last time he got that ton and his ton in India when SL had no hope in hell .....btw I meant brilliant series not just the ton in isolation

 

[Jassy]

Consider this, runs outside the SC are not the be all end all, Sanga in the same class as Jayawardene is highly disputable as well, he is at the very least between that class and the Dravid/Kallis class, IMO he is on par with them two and below Lara/Tendulkar, I'm not certain where Ponting fits in.

That is fair enough mate, butt he thing is Sanga's case, SC is just home and Pakistan/UAE. It isn't like he has dominated India in India either. People are quick to point out Ponting's record in India when he arguably faced better Indian attacks in India, particularly spin.

 

[Jassy]

And at least update your sig man

Well some mod will have to do it because I am in a bit of a hurry ATM. Will change it soon enough anyway, enough Sanga now. I think Ajmal deserves it more. Spin track bully Herath is the best in the world ATM.

 

[Maximas]

That is fair enough mate, butt he thing is Sanga's case, SC is just home and Pakistan/UAE. It isn't like he has dominated India in India either. People are quick to point out Ponting's record in India when he arguably faced better Indian attacks in India, particularly spin.

Perhaps, although personally I don't find an average of 36 from 6 matches to be a particularly compelling statistic to argue anything really, would be interesting to see him tour there in the near future, won't happen unfortunately.

Well some mod will have to do it because I am in a bit of a hurry ATM. Will change it soon enough anyway, enough Sanga now. I think Ajmal deserves it more. Spin track bully Herath is the best in the world ATM.

Now you're talking

 

[akilana]

Well some mod will have to do it because I am in a bit of a hurry ATM. Will change it soon enough anyway, enough Sanga now. I think Ajmal deserves it more. Spin track bully Herath is the best in the world ATM.

Post a link to your writings. Will definitely read when time permits.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I don't know about you guys but I'm not going to pretend that the fact that Sanga has had so few good overseas series isn't a factor when rating him. It's still partly due to lack of opportunity because I'm pretty sure most ATG batsmen have one or two great tours of a country to pump up their average there. Fact is, Sanga has had few truly great overseas tours... NZ 2006 and this England one are probably the only two that qualify. Compare that to how many times Sachin dominated in Australia, Lara in Sri Lanka, Dravid in England, etc and it's just not impressive enough. It's not the be all and end all, but I honestly found the fact that Rahane now has about as many good series overseas as Sanga quite hilarious and telling.(Not sure if it's actually true.. Anyone to confirm?)
ATG batsman but he's just not done it overseas as much as a guy of his stature should. Blame it on scheduling/lack of opportunities like I do or on him being an HTB like Jassy does. Either way, it's not something which should be brushed aside as trolling .

 

[Jassy]

I don't know about you guys but I'm not going to pretend that the fact that Sanga has had so few good overseas series isn't a factor when rating him. It's still partly due to lack of opportunity because I'm pretty sure most ATG batsmen have one or two great tours of a country to pump up their average there. Fact us, Sanga has had few truly great overseas tours... NZ 2006 and this England one are probably the only two that qualify. Compare that to how many times Sachin dominated in Australia, Lara in Sri Lanka, Dravid in England, etc and it's just not impressive enough. It's not the be all and end all, but I honestly found the fact that Rahane now has about as many good series overseas as Sanga quite hilarious and telling.(Not sure if it's actually true.. Anyone to confirm?)
ATG batsman but he's just not done it overseas as much as a guy of his stature should. Blame it on scheduling/lack of opportunities like I do or on him being an HTB like Jassy does. Either way, it's not something which should be brushed aside as trolling .

Rahane averaged 50+ in SA and 50+ in NZ, that is 2 tours. If he ends up averaging 50+ here, that will make it 3. Sanga also has 3 - NZ 2006, England 2014 and that Hobart test. I would find it easier to rate him higher if his Australia average was over a big sample size with 3 hundreds or something. From the top of my head at one point, Sehwag averaged high 50s in Aus (2 tons), just shy of 40 in England with a ton, crap averages in NZ and SA(with a ton and a series with an average of 50), 50+ in WI with a ton (IIRC) and he absolutely gunned it in SL and Pak (multiple tons in both places...Sanga only managed to dominate Pak, so Sehwag even in the SC is more complete) and people would scoff if you even dared to call him an ATG

 

[Jassy]

And at least update your sig man

Done

 

[Dan]

tbf Rahane looks like something seriously special. Like "could be better than Pujara and Kohli" special.

The guy can seriously bat, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a Hussey-like early run over the next 2-3 years.

 

[kyear2]

Consider this, runs outside the SC are not the be all end all, Sanga in the same class as Jayawardene is highly disputable as well, he is at the very least between that class and the Dravid/Kallis class, IMO he is on par with them two and below Lara/Tendulkar, I'm not certain where Ponting fits in.

Tendulkar | Lara
Ponting
Sangakkara
Dravid | Kallis

Just my opinion of course.