Voting Thread- Quick ATG XI Draft- No Bradman (with a poll!)

[watson]

Bradman hated Larwood with a passion post-Bodyline. His opinion is rather biased.

Bradman also had a feud with Bill O'Reilly. It stop not him rating O'Reilly as the best bowler he ever faced.

If Bradman rates Farnes a better bowler than Larwood then we should take it seriously. Not just as an emotionally charged opinion.

 

[fredfertang]

Sangakkara is a great batsman relative to Jardine, and probably on his own terms as well, by those numbers. Jardine is not.

Jardine was one of the first captains ever to study his opposition in detail, and come up with plans (unique to each batsman), to get them out. He was the only one who could come up with a plan to stop Bradman, and he was fantastic at rotating his bowlers to get the best out of them. Sure, his batting may be somewhat deficient, but his leadership more than makes up for his propensity for 'moderate' scores.

Not even I would seek to argue that Jardine was a better batsman than Sangakkara, although I would maintain that he played enough Test cricket in all conditions to have an average that accords with his ability, ie he was a bloody good batsman just short of the highest class

But as a captain and a man he was outstanding - as a couple of the guys posting here are pretty new you might not have seen my piece about him so as I'm very proud of it, and particularly the comment it got from Larwood's award-winning biographer, I'll give you another chance to read it

 

[Dan]

Not even I would seek to argue that Jardine was a better batsman than Sangakkara, although I would maintain that he played enough Test cricket in all conditions to have an average that accords with his ability, ie he was a bloody good batsman just short of the highest class

But as a captain and a man he was outstanding - as a couple of the guys posting here are pretty new you might not have seen my piece about him so as I'm very proud of it, and particularly the comment it got from Larwood's award-winning biographer, I'll give you another chance to read it

The documentary you mentioned, do you remember the name of it? I'd definitely like to try and track it down. Sounds like great viewing, and I'd rather enjoy writing about DRJ for my exams. Hamilton's book is already one of my related texts for Belonging.

Are there any books on Bodyline that you recommend, in particular?

 

[Jager]

Bradman also had a feud with Bill O'Reilly. It stop not him rating O'Reilly as the best bowler he ever faced.

If Bradman rates Farnes a better bowler than Larwood then we should take it seriously. Not just as an emotionally charged opinion.

Bradman never saw Barnes

 

[fredfertang]

The documentary you mentioned, do you remember the name of it? I'd definitely like to try and track it down. Sounds like great viewing, and I'd rather enjoy writing about DRJ for my exams. Hamilton's book is already one of my related texts for Belonging.

Are there any books on Bodyline that you recommend, in particular?

The documentary is available commercially but I can't at the moment track down where nor, more worryingly is the DVD I have of it where it should be - if I can find that I'll let you know

As for books it depends what you want - the best impartial overview is David Frith's Bodyline Autopsy. Jardine's book, In Quest of the Ashes, is interesting, though completely lacking in sensationalism, unlike Michael Arnold's The Bodyline Hypocrisy which is entertaining - there are reviews of all those in the Book Review section.

If you wanted a contemporary Australian whinge "Anti Bodyline" by Alan Kippax and EP Barbour and a thing by an anonymous author just called The Sporting English? are worth reading, though you'd only get them from a specialist dealer and wouldn't get much change out £75 and £100 respectively

 

[watson]

Bradman never saw Barnes

That's Ken Farnes the England fast-medium bowler and near contemporary of Larwood

 

[Jager]

That's Ken Farnes the England fast-medium bowler and near contemporary of Larwood

Shocker of a mistake by me, I assumed it was a typo. My apologies

 

[Red]

Not even I would seek to argue that Jardine was a better batsman than Sangakkara, although I would maintain that he played enough Test cricket in all conditions to have an average that accords with his ability, ie he was a bloody good batsman just short of the highest class

But as a captain and a man he was outstanding - as a couple of the guys posting here are pretty new you might not have seen my piece about him so as I'm very proud of it, and particularly the comment it got from Larwood's award-winning biographer, I'll give you another chance to read it

Great article.

I read the Larwood book by Hamilton recently, it is one of the most interesting cricket books i've read, particularly as i'd never understood how the professional/amateur statuses in England worked in that era. Does the fact the Duncan Hamilton commented mean he is a cricket web poster?

 

[fredfertang]

Great article.

I read the Larwood book by Hamilton recently, it is one of the most interesting cricket books i've read, particularly as i'd never understood how the professional/amateur statuses in England worked in that era. Does the fact the Duncan Hamilton commented mean he is a cricket web poster?

Sadly not, but he does keep an eye on the front page and I hear from him from time to time

 

[Red]

Sadly not, but he does keep an eye on the front page and I hear from him from time to time

I picked the book up in a bargain bin for $5. One of my best purchases ever. I'd never heard of Hamilton before I read it. It's a very well written biography, which gives a lot of insight in to Larwood and the era he played in.

As an Australian, I didn't understand how strong that British class divide was, and how seriously it was taken.

 

[fredfertang]

As an Australian, I didn't understand how strong that British class divide was, and how seriously it was taken.

And we still have it, not as strong, and not taken as seriously, but very much alive and well

 

[watson]

Bump

 

[Jager]

Fair to declare Himannv the winner, I'd say.

 

[watson]

I'd agree with that.

How difficult is it to arrange a sim and can it be done? I've never seen a sim before.

 

[Himannv]

How difficult is it to arrange a sim and can it be done? I've never seen a sim before.

It requires you to enter a fair amount of data manually so I think it might be reasonably time consuming.

 

[Himannv]

Just realized that I haven't voted as yet. Went with Monk after some though.

On the whole some good teams here. kk was fairly close to getting my vote as well.

 

[smash84]

so I finally move out of the kyear and kk club

 

[kyear2]

Congrats Himannv, great team, only slight flaws that could be noted would be the lack of an enforcer among the quicks and the cordon is lacking talent and really it was the latter more than the former for me. Stroke of genius to use Barnes as a spinner, deserving win

 

[watson]

I think it was the excellent Strike Rates of both Steyn and Barnes plus the solid middle-order batting that impressed. Not to mention the sheer imagination of using Trumper and WG to open the innings.

 

[kingkallis]

Just realized that I haven't voted as yet. Went with Monk after some though.

On the whole some good teams here. kk was fairly close to getting my vote as well.

Argh! Off goes my chance to get at least 1 vote