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    I tried to make the system very basic so that there would be no number crunching involved - it also comes down to how I rate each player personally, so there is no real formula or anything.

    I rate each batsman out of three, three being reserved for the absolute ATG batsmen (e.g Lara), two for the superb batsmen who are just under the all-time level (e.g Kanhai) and one for the great batsmen who I don't think would flourish at this level (e.g Kallicharan, although that's perhaps a little harsh). Almost every batsman I rated scored a two or three.

    I do exactly the same thing for bowlers, so the system focuses on each player's primary skill. I rate the wicketkeeper on his glovework alone at this stage, so for example Flower, Walcott or Sangakkara would only score one point here but Tallon scores three. Gilchrist scores two, for the record.

    Once you've added up these numbers for each player, you get a 'raw' score.

    After you get the raw score, the 'bonus' points come into play, and these are the points that make or break a side and truly show how clever or resourceful the drafter was with their team. I give an extra point for left-right opening combinations, being a good batsman as a wicketkeeper, having an excellent fifth bowling option (Sobers, Worrell, Walters etc.), having batting depth to the number eight slot, having a tactical genius/inspiring captain and for having a left-arm frontline bowling option. I will probably add having three great slippers as an extra too, but here's an example using watson's side (hope he doesn't mind, but it's a pretty good wrap I am giving him )...

    watson's XI
    01. Bob Simpson 2
    02. Bill Lawry* 2
    03. Charles Macartney 3
    04. Maurice Leyland 2
    05. Bill Ponsford 2
    06. Elias 'Patsy' Hendren 2
    07. John Waite+ 3
    08. Ray Lindwall 3
    09. Bill Johnston 2
    10. Sydney Barnes 3
    11. Neil Adcock 3

    12. Peter Heine

    Raw: 27 + 1 L/R opening combination + 1 wicketkeeper batting + 1 left-arm frontliner + 1 bowling depth = 31

    31 is equal highest score at the moment. Adcock was probably judged leniently in hindsight, but I think he was a magnificent bowler. Fantastic team watson
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    Nice system, one of those criteria that I used to follow, but has changed is the L/R opening batsmen. In theory it makes sense but the top 3 opening partnerships of all, Hobbs and Sutcliffe, Greenidge and Haynes and Langer and Hayden were all all rh or lh combinations. Of the great combinations from the top of my head I can only think of Barnes and Morris and Simpson and Lawry that were mixed (I am sure they were more).

    I learned the hard way how much the members on this forum place in having a solid batting option (not nec. a bowling all rounder, but a Lindwall, Warne, Marshall type at least) at #8 and a keeper that can more than hold a bat. Additionally I have always seen the value in having a solid fifth bolwer and even more importantly a very strong cordon, which could be a difference between winning and loosing a series.

    So who managed to tie Watson for 1st in your rankings?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Agreed the cordon is very important. Although having a wicketkeeper who is handy with the bat is useful, I will always value glovework over anything else, so my system favours proper wicketkeepers a lot. Actually, I just readjusted the scores...

    (edited out)

    It comes down to personal preference for me to split them here
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    Thanks

    I guess it is unusual CW practice to discuss the various teams 'out loud' because some people might feel upset if their team doesn't get a mention.

    But on the other hand, I guess we're all grown-ups.

    Perhaps it might be appropriate to display all the teams on one page so we can start doing our 'home-work' a la Jager.

    I must admit that Andy's ranking is a surprise. Might need to have another look at his bowling attack. Don't know too much about Peter Pollock.


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    Yeah I do feel like I might taint the views of a few of the teams - I'll edit the rankings I posted out, but I'll keep my system with watson's team as an example since it will have nothing to be compared to and I am far from slandering it (unless he doesn't want it there). We're just waiting on Eds FTR, once he confirms his side we'll vote on our teams! Also kyear your team was the next best on the rankings, I think it had equal highest raw score but didn't get all of the bonuses

    Edit: **** I thought it was kyear who replied - same looking avatars
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    Very very close my numbers broadly agreed with Jagers

    (bar my own team which is very much optimised for long careers vs high impact careers).
    Last edited by Valer; 22-08-2012 at 12:34 AM.

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    Apologies for the delay.

    1. WG Grace
    2. Desmond Haynes
    3. Clyde Walcott
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Martin Crowe
    6. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    7. Alec Stewart/Zaheer Abbas
    8. Maurice Tate
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Colin Croft
    11. Glenn McGrath

    Not sure whether to go with Stewart or Abbas, really.
    Last edited by Eds; 22-08-2012 at 09:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eds View Post
    Apologies for the delay.

    1. WG Grace
    2. Desmond Haynes
    3. Clyde Walcott
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Martin Crowe
    6. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    7. Alec Stewart/Zaheer Abbas
    8. Maurice Tate
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Colin Croft
    11. Glenn McGrath

    Not sure whether to go with Stewart or Abbas, really.
    Apology not accepted!

    Waqar and Lillee roaring to get rid of Abbas, Stewart whoever you pick, mate!
    CricZo XI - Draft League

    Season 1 M Hayden, G Gooch, R Dravid, W Hammond, K Pietersen, G Sobers, R Marsh (wk), R Benaud (c), D Steyn, W Hall, N Adcock

    Season 2 J Hobbs, B Richards, D Boon, H Taylor, C Lloyd (c), A Stewart (wk), T Goddard, A Davidson, H Tayfield, C Ambrose, H Griffith

    Season 3 H Sutcliffe, M Hayden, I Chappell (c), G Pollock, A Faulkner, M Hussey, D Lindsay (wk), I Botham, A Kumble, M Marshall, D Lillee

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    Take your pick when you can Eds, polling will start when you have. I'd go Stewart personally

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    Stewart it is.

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    Trevor Goddard
    Andrew Flintoff
    Jeff Dujon ( + )
    Hedley Verity
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    Tests : 834
    Runs by Top 5 : 30,354 @ 52.84 with 95 centuries and 104 half centuries
    Runs by 6,7,8 : 9,683 @ 32.72 with 11 centuries and 60 half centuries
    Wickets by Top 5 : 1221 @ 26.17 with 14 ten-fers and 58 five-fers
    Wicket-keeper : 267 catches & 5 stumpings

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    Alright, give me an hour or so and I'll introduce the concept for Season 3... hopefully I will be around for it and not relegated :/

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    I think we should use a total points system to determine relegations. Use mean number of points in drafts, and the lowest go out, IMO.

    Oh, and the Season 3 draft to be a good 'un.

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    Agree, or it invalidates the league continuation.

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    In regards to using a mean points system, I based the relegation system on football leagues - City might have won last year but if they were to finish bottom three this year, they'd go down. It will be fairer in the long run when everyone has points on the board IMO, because it won't be as difficult to retain a place if you're promoted



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