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    Quote Originally Posted by Blakus View Post
    For those very rare occasions when the third new ball is getting old
    That's about 250 overs or more. At 3 runs an over your team will be chasing 750 runs. That's a bit overly pessimistic don't you think?

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    Great teams out there guys, well done; this draft has been evenly contested.

    watson, Patsy was a great choice;

    Eager to see Harvey and Mussey partnership; think these two will complement each other very well. Viv to lead the team.

    1. Graham Gooch
    2. Arthur Morris
    3. Viv Richards*
    4. Jacques Kallis
    5. Neil Harvey
    6. Michael Hussey
    7. Denis Lindsay+
    8. Wilfred Rhodes
    9. Peter Pollock
    10. Fazal Mahmood
    11. Joel Garner
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    That's true, but in these ATG games, nearly all of the players are of that standard, so I'd imagine it to just be like a normal cricket match but with slightly higher intensity/skill levels. Our fifth bowler is Hussey - not exactly a superhuman bowler but he gets a few overs a test match these days, occasionally does something handy. Failure is still the norm for batsmen, success the exception
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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    Hopefully PEWS gives Marcuss the database so we can sim the ATG XI's game soon though. I really want to see how it pans out


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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    That's about 250 overs or more. At 3 runs an over your team will be chasing 750 runs. That's a bit overly pessimistic don't you think?
    Just making a bit of a joke. Honestly about the only time they'd bowl is when the opposition is 8/150 chasing 500 and the tail is having a slog.

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    Something as simple as a series gives no value to longevity. This I feel is somewhat detrimental given that it plays into the hands of

    a) Those with short careers. (over a large sample you'll fluke into players here (Dempster anyone?))
    b) It actually discourages more very very good performance unless you go in and pull out a peak

    ex. 100@ 19, becomes worse than 100@ 19 + 100@23.

    c) It offers nothing for players who add value by being consistently good over a long period of time.

    Certainly I'd find it problematic and adverse to the way the draft was presented if people were to judge that way.

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    Just letting you all know that we'll probably need to delay season three a few days at least in order to let the Reserve League catch up (relegations/promotions). It might be nice to have a bit of a break, maybe it will get you excited for the next season

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    Oh yeah delay it for at least a week.
    CricZo XI - Draft League

    Season 1 M Hayden, G Gooch, R Dravid, W Hammond, K Pietersen, G Sobers, R Marsh (wk), R Benaud (c), D Steyn, W Hall, N Adcock

    Season 2 J Hobbs, B Richards, D Boon, H Taylor, C Lloyd (c), A Stewart (wk), T Goddard, A Davidson, H Tayfield, C Ambrose, H Griffith

    Season 3 H Sutcliffe, M Hayden, I Chappell (c), G Pollock, A Faulkner, M Hussey, D Lindsay (wk), I Botham, A Kumble, M Marshall, D Lillee

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    01. Bob Simpson* (6)
    02. Bill Lawry
    03. Charles Macartney (5)
    04. Maurice Leyland
    05. Bill Ponsford
    06. Elias 'Patsy' Hendren
    07. John Waite+
    08. Ray Lindwall (1)
    09. Bill Johnston (4)
    10. Sydney Barnes (2)
    11. Neil Adcock (3)
    This may go against popular opinion, but Lawry was a far better captain than Simpson. Lawry was a real player's man, while Simpson could often be cutting in his remarks to fringe players etc. Ian Chappell also says that Lawry was one of the best at setting a field for individual batsmen to nullify their strengths.

    Fairly detailed explanation of the above in "The Summer Game: Aust Cricket in the 50s and 60s" by Gideon Haigh, which I am reading now. Strongly recommend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    This may go against popular opinion, but Lawry was a far better captain than Simpson. Lawry was a real player's man, while Simpson could often be cutting in his remarks to fringe players etc. Ian Chappell also says that Lawry was one of the best at setting a field for individual batsmen to nullify their strengths.

    Fairly detailed explanation of the above in "The Summer Game: Aust Cricket in the 50s and 60s" by Gideon Haigh, which I am reading now. Strongly recommend.

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    I'm not going to argue with Gideon Haigh. Lawry it is then.

    However, the following analysis has Simpson ranked in the top 20 captains.

    It Figures | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

    I was also impressed how Simpson took a young Australian side during the Packer years and then beat a full strength Indian team 3-2 led by Bedi and Gavaskar. These scorecards are pretty amazing given the limited experience of Simpson's team and the knife-edge finishes;

    1st Test: Australia v India at Brisbane, Dec 2-6, 1977 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63196.html
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63199.html

    Incidently, Simpsons score of 176 in Perth (team total 394) at age 40 something, and after a 10 year retirement, confirms his skill against spin bowling. The Indian spin bowlers were no less than Bedi, Chandra, and Venkat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyZaltzHair View Post
    Great teams out there guys, well done; this draft has been evenly contested.

    watson, Patsy was a great choice;

    Eager to see Harvey and Mussey partnership; think these two will complement each other very well. Viv to lead the team.

    1. Graham Gooch
    2. Arthur Morris
    3. Viv Richards*
    4. Jacques Kallis
    5. Neil Harvey
    6. Michael Hussey
    7. Denis Lindsay+
    8. Wilfred Rhodes
    9. Peter Pollock
    10. Fazal Mahmood
    11. Joel Garner
    Cheers Andy.

    It would be interesting to find out which one of those Aussie left-handers scores the most runs in an ATG series.

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    replacement pick sent hours ago, are we just waiting for Jager to log back in?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Laxman now voodoo, Eds has left a bunch of picks with me so it's just Marcuss to repick.

    R1
    AndyZaltzHair: Viv Richards
    Eds: Shane Warne
    watson: Sydney Barnes
    kingkallis: Dennis Lillee
    Monk: Keith Miller
    Blakus: Adam Gilchrist
    Himannv: Curtly Ambrose
    Cevno/Marcuss: Imran Khan
    kyear2: Malcolm Marshall
    MrPrez: Wally Hammond
    Valer: Muttiah Muralitharan

    R2
    Jager: Mike Procter
    Eds: Glenn McGrath
    AndyZaltzHair: Jacques Kallis
    Valer: Andy Flower
    Blakus: Alan Davidson
    watson: Ray Lindwall
    kingkallis: Waqar Younis
    MrPrez: Sachin Tendulkar
    kyear2: Barry Richards
    Monk: Brian Lara
    Cevno/Marcuss: Fred Trueman
    Himannv: Allan Donald

    R3
    Jager: Dale Steyn
    kyear2: Jim Laker
    Eds: Graeme Pollock
    Monk: John Snow
    watson: Charlie Macartney
    Valer: Courtney Walsh
    kingkallis: Len Hutton
    Himannv: Greg Chappell
    Blakus: Ian Botham
    AndyZaltzHair: Joel Garner
    Cevno/Marcuss: Herbert Sutcliffe
    MrPrez: Victor Trumper

    R4
    Jager: Rahul Dravid
    Eds: Clyde Walcott
    Valer: Charlie Turner
    kyear2: Ricky Ponting
    kingkallis: Everton Weekes
    AndyZaltzHair: Neil Harvey
    Monk: Sunil Gavaskar
    MrPrez: Jeff Thomson
    watson: Bill Lawry
    Himannv: Frank Tyson
    Cevno/Marcuss: Steve Waugh
    Blakus: Richie Benaud

    R5
    Jager: Dudley Nourse
    watson: Neil Adcock
    kingkallis: Matthew Hayden
    Valer: Javed Miandad
    Monk: Kapil Dev
    AndyZaltzHair: Arthur Morris
    kyear2: Les Ames
    Blakus: Denis Compton
    Eds: WG Grace
    Himannv: Ken Barrington
    MrPrez: Fred Spofforth
    Cevno/Marcuss: Alan Knott

    R6
    Jager: Stan McCabe
    kyear2: Ian Bishop
    AndyZaltzHair: Graham Gooch
    Valer: Bruce Mitchell
    Blakus: Wes Hall
    MrPrez: Anil Kumble
    Monk: Derek Underwood
    watson: Bob Simpson
    Himannv: Geoff Boycott
    kingkallis: Hedley Verity
    Cevno/Marcuss: Clive Lloyd
    Eds: Colin Croft

    R7
    Jager: Shane Bond
    Eds: Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    MrPrez: Vijay Hazare
    Himannv: Eddie Paynter
    watson: Bill Ponsford
    AndyZaltzHair: Peter Pollock
    kingkallis: Doug Walters
    Valer: George Lohmann
    Blakus: Virender Sehwag
    kyear2: Alec Bedser
    Monk: Ian Chappell
    Cevno/Marcuss: Hugh Tayfield

    R8
    Jager: Graeme Smith
    kingkallis: Trevor Goddard
    watson: John Waite
    Himannv: Hugh Trumble
    AndyZaltzHair: Fazal Mahmood
    Eds: Maurice Tate
    Valer: Mahela Jayawardene
    kyear2: Lindsay Hassett
    Marcuss: Archie Jackson
    Monk: Frank Woolley
    Blakus: Clem Hill
    MrPrez: Ian Healy

    R9
    Jager: Matt Prior
    Eds: Martin Crowe
    AndyZaltzHair: Wilfred Rhodes
    watson: Bill Johnston
    MrPrez: Bill Woodfull
    Blakus: Brian Statham
    kyear2: Tony Greig
    Monk: Michael Clarke
    Valer: Eddie Barlow
    kingkallis: Andrew Flintoff
    Himannv: Douglas Jardine
    Cevno/Marcuss: Bob Willis

    R10
    Jager: Mohammad Yousuf
    Valer: Herbie Taylor
    watson: Maurice Leyland
    Eds: Desmond Haynes
    AndyZaltzHair: Denis Lindsay
    kingkallis: Jeffrey Dujon
    Cevno/Marcuss: Justin Langer
    Monk: Roy Fredericks
    Blakus: Stanley Jackson
    kyear2: Sid Barnes
    Himannv: Conrad Hunte
    MrPrez: Herschelle Gibbs

    R11
    Jager: Mark Waugh
    Eds: -
    Cevno/Marcuss: -
    AndyZaltzHair: Michael Hussey
    Himannv: Don Tallon
    watson: Patsy Hendren
    MrPrez: Jack Cowie
    kingkallis: Hashim Amla
    Valer: Mohammad Azharuddin
    Monk: Farohk Engineer
    kyear2: Seymour Nurse
    Blakus: Michael Slater

    Voodoo: Garfield Sobers, Richard Hadlee, Donald Bradman, Bill O’Reilly, Wasim Akram, Clarrie Grimmett, George Headley, Shaun Pollock, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, Harold Larwood, Allan Border, Frank Worrell, Aubrey Faulkner, Kumar Sangakkara, Rohan Kanhai, Gordon Greenidge, Peter May, Kevin Pietersen, Ted Dexter, Kumar Ranjitsinhji, Inzamam Ul-Haq, Vijay Merchant, AB de Villiers, Hanif Mohammad, David Gower, Godfrey Evans, Richie Richardson, VVS Laxman

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    Seymour Nurse: An interesting choice by kyear. A little mentioned, but classical WI batsman from the 60s.

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    1. Barry Richards
    2. Sid Barnes
    3. Ricky Ponting * '
    4. Lindsay Hassett
    5. Seymour Nurse '
    6. Tony Greig '
    7. Les Ames +
    8. Malcom Marshall
    9. Ian Bishop
    10. Jim Laker
    11. Alec Bedser



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