Last edited by watson; 01-07-2012 at 06:58 PM.
Fred Spofforth, 'The Demon Speaks'The figures Sir Home Hordon has shown me of what Grace did in matches against me, 37 innings, 1042 runs, 28.16 average, considerably less than his general average, hears out my theory that I never had any particular difficulty in getting him out. I clean bowled him seven times, ACM Croome says that WG told him that on any wicket he never knew when I should bowl him. This may have been due in part to my artfulness......
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
It's similar to Sobers, who was a batting all-rounder. Sobers bowling average of 34 and SR of 92 would never get him a game as a bowler, but it's primarily as a batsman he gets selected. So he's a batting AR.
And I'd nearly always have both, along with Gilchrist, providing three highly skilled all-rounders in an ATG team.
I guess it comes down to sematics.
But whatever the definition I'd love to have Imran batting in my side if possible.
I've always thought the truly elite TRUE all rounders were the ones with a 30 plus batting average and a sub 30 bowling average.
Don't know where this Imran hate is coming from, he's on level terms with Miller and perhaps early Botham and that's all.
Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick
I don't think that anyone is hating Imran Khan. There's nothing to 'hate'.
Hate is the wrong word, you're right. How people saying he isn't an all-rounder though, I have no idea.
marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good!
Anyone want to join the Society?
Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.
Cevno timed out.
That means Blakus, MrPrez and watson are up. Cevno may choose whenever he gets on.
kingkallis- Garfield Sobers
Himannv- Imran Khan
Marcuss- Adam Gilchrist
Cabinet96- Keith Miller
Eds- Malcolm Marshall
Cevno- Richard Hadlee
Blakus- Vivian Richards
MrPrez- Jaques Kallis
watson- Glenn McGrath
Last edited by Jager; 02-07-2012 at 06:31 AM.
I guess you mean Sobers?
I see your point, and I classify him as an all-rounder definitely.
Maybe a batting average of 25 plus and a bowling average of under 35 is a better guide?
What I mean is that a true all-rounder should be able to gain his place in a team almost on one discipline.
Would Miller have been selected for Australia as a batsman only OR a bowler only? - yes
Would Imran have been selected for Pakistan as a batsman only OR a bowler only - I think so
Would Botham have been selected for England as a batsman only or a bowler only - I think so
Would Kapil have been selected for India as a batsman only OR a bowler only - likely
Would Sobers have been selected for WIs as a batsman only OR a bowler only - definitely as a batsman, only possibly as a bowler
Would Kallis be selected for SA as a batsman only OR a bowler only - definitely as a batsman, only possibly as a bowler
Would Hadlee be selected for NZ as a batsman only OR a bowler only - definitely as a bowler, only possibly as a batsman
They are all all-rounders in my mind, but there are different types (obviously).
Last edited by Red Hill; 02-07-2012 at 04:10 AM.
Good choice by Cervo - a BOWLING ALL-ROUNDER
Good points around Kallis and Hadlee, Monk. Sobers was actually orginially in the team as a left-arm spinner, though!
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