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watson · 01-07-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Indeed it is, but even in that period it can be split between batting well and not bowling or bowling well and not batting.

All time great bowler who could bat 8, yes, but all rounder, no.

I would tend to agree. Sensational to have at No.7 or 8 depending on the batting ability of the keeper and what the tail is like.

kyear2 · 01-07-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Indeed it is, but even in that period it can be split between batting well and not bowling or bowling well and not batting.

All time great bowler who could bat 8, yes, but all rounder, no.

This.

Monk · 01-07-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Indeed it is, but even in that period it can be split between batting well and not bowling or bowling well and not batting.

All time great bowler who could bat 8, yes, but all rounder, no.

That's true, and it's nice to have a guy averaging nearly 40 with the bat at number 7 or 8 in an all time team who is also a strike bowler (avg. 22). He is an all-rounder, a bowling all-rounder. An average of 38 definitely gives him the title. In the ATG team you select him as a bowling all-rounder, as one of your three pace men.

It's similar to Sobers, who was a batting all-rounder. Sobers bowling average of 34 and SR of 92 would never get him a game as a bowler, but it's primarily as a batsman he gets selected. So he's a batting AR.

And I'd nearly always have both, along with Gilchrist, providing three highly skilled all-rounders in an ATG team.

watson · 01-07-2012, 09:21 PM

I guess it comes down to sematics.

But whatever the definition I'd love to have Imran batting in my side if possible.

Monk · 02-07-2012, 12:00 AM

I've always thought the truly elite TRUE all rounders were the ones with a 30 plus batting average and a sub 30 bowling average.

Jager · 02-07-2012, 12:16 AM

Don't know where this Imran hate is coming from, he's on level terms with Miller and perhaps early Botham and that's all.

watson · 02-07-2012, 12:21 AM

I don't think that anyone is hating Imran Khan. There's nothing to 'hate'.

Jager · 02-07-2012, 12:49 AM

Hate is the wrong word, you're right. How people saying he isn't an all-rounder though, I have no idea.

marc71178 · 02-07-2012, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Monk

I've always thought the truly elite TRUE all rounders were the ones with a 30 plus batting average and a sub 30 bowling average.

I don't think career averages can be used as a guide at all.

By your definition the greatest of them all wouldn't be classed as one.

Jager · 02-07-2012, 03:44 AM

Cevno timed out.

That means Blakus, MrPrez and watson are up. Cevno may choose whenever he gets on.

R1
kingkallis- Garfield Sobers
Himannv- Imran Khan
Marcuss- Adam Gilchrist
Cabinet96- Keith Miller
Eds- Malcolm Marshall
Cevno- Richard Hadlee
Blakus- Vivian Richards
MrPrez- Jaques Kallis
watson- Glenn McGrath
Jager-
AndyZaltzHair-
kyear2-

Cevno · 02-07-2012, 03:45 AM

Richard Hadlee

Monk · 02-07-2012, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

I don't think career averages can be used as a guide at all.

By your definition the greatest of them all wouldn't be classed as one.

I guess you mean Sobers?

I see your point, and I classify him as an all-rounder definitely.

Maybe a batting average of 25 plus and a bowling average of under 35 is a better guide?

What I mean is that a true all-rounder should be able to gain his place in a team almost on one discipline.

Would Miller have been selected for Australia as a batsman only OR a bowler only? - yes

Would Imran have been selected for Pakistan as a batsman only OR a bowler only - I think so

Would Botham have been selected for England as a batsman only or a bowler only - I think so

Would Kapil have been selected for India as a batsman only OR a bowler only - likely

Would Sobers have been selected for WIs as a batsman only OR a bowler only - definitely as a batsman, only possibly as a bowler

Would Kallis be selected for SA as a batsman only OR a bowler only - definitely as a batsman, only possibly as a bowler

Would Hadlee be selected for NZ as a batsman only OR a bowler only - definitely as a bowler, only possibly as a batsman

They are all all-rounders in my mind, but there are different types (obviously).

MrPrez · 02-07-2012, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

No, they're not.

Yeah they really are. Certainly much closer than Bradman and any other batsman.

watson · 02-07-2012, 04:27 AM

Good choice by Cervo - a BOWLING ALL-ROUNDER

Jager · 02-07-2012, 04:34 AM

Good points around Kallis and Hadlee, Monk. Sobers was actually orginially in the team as a left-arm spinner, though!

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Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Don't know where this Imran hate is coming from, he's on level terms with Miller and perhaps early Botham and that's all. __________________ Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Cevno timed out. That means Blakus, MrPrez and watson are up. Cevno may choose whenever he gets on. R1 kingkallis- Garfield Sobers Himannv- Imran Khan Marcuss- Adam Gilchrist Cabinet96- Keith Miller Eds- Malcolm Marshall Cevno- Richard Hadlee Blakus- Vivian Richards MrPrez- Jaques Kallis watson- Glenn McGrath Jager- AndyZaltzHair- kyear2- Last edited by Jager; 02-07-2012 at 06:31 AM.

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01-07-2012, 09:21 PM	#79 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,686	I guess it comes down to sematics. But whatever the definition I'd love to have Imran batting in my side if possible.

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Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,577	I've always thought the truly elite TRUE all rounders were the ones with a 30 plus batting average and a sub 30 bowling average.

02-07-2012, 12:21 AM	#82 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,686	I don't think that anyone is hating Imran Khan. There's nothing to 'hate'.

02-07-2012, 12:49 AM	#83 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Hate is the wrong word, you're right. How people saying he isn't an all-rounder though, I have no idea.

02-07-2012, 03:45 AM	#86 (permalink)
Cevno International Coach Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: India Posts: 14,940	Richard Hadlee

02-07-2012, 04:27 AM	#89 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,686	Good choice by Cervo - a BOWLING ALL-ROUNDER

02-07-2012, 04:34 AM	#90 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Good points around Kallis and Hadlee, Monk. Sobers was actually orginially in the team as a left-arm spinner, though!

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