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    I take it you're referring to his 180 when Laxman made his 281?
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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    I think I enjoyed this Draft more than the previous one as 12 Drafters is more engaging than just 9. A bit more imagination is required to get a good team together.

    I'm now wondering which is the stronger of my two teams;

    1. Bob Simpson
    2. Mark Taylor
    3. Rohan Kanhai
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Mushtaq Mohammad
    6. Lindsay Hassett
    7. Alan Knott
    8. Hedley Verity
    9. Andy Roberts
    10.Michael Holding
    11.Glen McGrath

    12th. Tony Greig

    OR

    1. Bob Simpson
    2. Roy Fredericks
    3. Clyde Walcott
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Steve Waugh
    6. Clive Lloyd
    7. John Waite
    8. Richie Benaud
    9. Wasim Akram
    10.Curtly Ambrose
    11.Glen McGrath

    12.Eddie Barlow


    Initially I thought that Benaud's team was a lot stronger. But now I'm not so sure. Hassett's team has less fire power in the batting department, but may be more resilient over the course of 5-6 test matches. I think the bowling attack is also slightly more balanced with a definite advantage in spin bowling. But Ambrose combined with Akram is hard to go past.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I take it you're referring to his 180 when Laxman made his 281?
    That's right. A cracker of an innings.

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    Akram is overrated in my opinion, still a bona fide ATG though. Big fan of your more recent team actually, it's got such great spin options


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    R1
    kingkallis- Garfield Sobers
    Himannv- Imran Khan
    Marcuss- Adam Gilchrist
    Cabinet96- Keith Miller
    Eds- Malcolm Marshall
    Cevno- Richard Hadlee
    Blakus- Vivian Richards
    MrPrez- Jaques Kallis
    watson- Glenn McGrath
    Jager- Curtly Ambrose
    AndyZaltzHair- Dennis Lillee
    kyear2- Jack Hobbs

    R2
    kyear2- Shane Warne
    AndyZaltzHair- Fred Trueman
    Jager- Sachin Tendulkar
    watson- Michael Holding
    MrPrez- Muttiah Muralitharan
    Blakus- Sydney Barnes
    Cevno- Wasim Akram
    Eds- Brian Lara
    Cabinet96- Len Hutton
    Marcuss- Bill O'Reilly
    Himannv- Alan Davidson
    kingkallis- Wally Hammond

    R3
    Jager- Waqar Younis
    kyear2- Allan Donald
    Himannv- George Headley
    AndyZaltzHair- Ray Lindwall
    Eds- Joel Garner
    Marcuss- Aubrey Faulkner
    kingkallis- Dale Steyn
    Blakus- Graeme Pollock
    Cabinet96- Clyde Walcott
    Cevno- Shaun Pollock
    MrPrez- Mike Procter
    watson- Andy Roberts

    R4
    watson- Greg Chappell
    MrPrez- Victor Trumper
    Cevno- Andrew Flower
    Cabinet96- Jim Laker
    Blakus- Sunil Gavaskar
    kingkallis- Richie Benaud
    Marcuss- Ian Botham
    Eds- Barry Richards
    AndyZaltzHair- Clarrie Grimmett
    Himannv- Frank Tyson
    kyear2- Ricky Ponting
    Jager- Harold Larwood

    R5
    AndyZaltzHair- Les Ames
    kyear2- Everton Weekes
    Blakus- Herbert Sutcliffe
    Jager- Neil Harvey
    Cabinet96- Courtney Walsh
    Marcuss- Steve Waugh
    Cevno- WG Grace
    MrPrez- Allan Border
    watson- Alan Knott
    kingkallis- Rahul Dravid
    Himannv- Ken Barrington
    Eds- Kapil Dev

    R6
    Eds- Frank Worrell
    Himannv- Denis Compton
    kingkallis- Matthew Hayden
    watson- Hedley Verity
    MrPrez- Ian Healy
    Cevno- Anil Kumble
    Marcuss- Javed Miandad
    Cabinet96- Fazal Mahmood
    Jager- Wilfred Rhodes
    Blakus- Kumar Sangakkara
    kyear2- Denis Lindsay
    AndyZaltzHair- Arthur Morris

    R7
    watson- Bob Simpson
    Jager- Dudley Nourse
    AndyZaltzHair- Clive Lloyd
    Eds- Gordon Greenidge
    kingkallis- Graham Gooch
    Marcuss- Geoff Boycott
    kyear2- Colin Croft
    Himannv- Hanif Mohammad
    MrPrez- Saqlain Mushtaq
    Blakus- Frederick Spofforth
    Cevno- Virender Sehwag
    Cabinet96- Bruce Mitchell

    R8
    Cabinet96- Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    Cevno- Shane Bond
    Blakus- Peter Pollock
    MrPrez- Bob Willis
    Himannv- Bill Lawry
    kyear2- Ted Dexter
    Marcuss- Ian Bishop
    kingkallis- Wes Hall
    Eds- Charles Macartney
    AndyZaltzHair- Bill Ponsford
    Jager- Alec Stewart
    watson- Rohan Kanhai

    R9
    Cabinet96- David Gower
    Cevno- Inzamam-ul-Haq
    Eds- Hugh Tayfield
    AndyZaltzHair- Frank Woolley
    Marcuss- Stan McCabe
    Jager- Doug Walters
    MrPrez- Bill Woodfull
    kingkallis- Kevin Pietersen
    watson- Mushtaq Mohammad
    Blakus- Kumar Ranjitsinhji
    Himannv- Peter May
    kyear2- Vijay Merchant

    R10
    kyear2- John Snow
    Himannv- Derek Underwood
    Blakus- Hugh Trumble
    watson- Lindsay Hassett
    kingkallis- Rod Marsh
    MrPrez- Brian Statham
    Jager- Douglas Jardine
    Marcuss- Graeme Smith
    AndyZaltzHair- Eddie Paynter
    Eds- AB de Villers
    Cevno- Mohammad Yousuf
    Cabinet96- Alec Bedser

    R11
    AndyZaltzHair- Ian Chappell
    Jager- Matt Prior
    MrPrez- Younis Khan
    Marcuss- Charlie Turner
    Blakus- John Waite
    Himannv- Godfrey Evans
    kyear2- Martin Crowe
    Eds- Eddie Barlow
    kingkallis- Neil Adcock
    watson- Mark Taylor
    Cevno- Mahela Jayawardene
    Cabinet96- Michael Hussey

    R12
    Cabinet96- Damien Martyn
    Cevno-
    watson- Tony Greig
    kingkallis- George Lohmann
    Eds- Jeffrey Dujon
    kyear2-
    Himannv- Bobby Peel
    Blakus-
    Marcuss-
    MrPrez-
    Jager-
    AndyZaltzHair-
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    That's right. A cracker of an innings.
    Why Rahul Dravid is India?s greatest Test cricketer, bar none

    Agreed - you might find this interesting as well. IMO the 180 not his best but mighty close, and saying he's best suited to 6 for that reason seems wrong - I believe Bradman batted at 7 in arguably his finest innings.

    3rd Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Jan 1-7, 1937 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Under closer inspection, Bradman's reversal of the batting order may not have seemed so funny to the Tiger seeing as he was out first ball to Voce

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    That's right. A cracker of an innings.
    So will I get more votes if I change it to,

    Hammond
    Pietersen
    Sobers
    Dravid?

    CricZo XI - Draft League

    Season 1 M Hayden, G Gooch, R Dravid, W Hammond, K Pietersen, G Sobers, R Marsh (wk), R Benaud (c), D Steyn, W Hall, N Adcock

    Season 2 J Hobbs, B Richards, D Boon, H Taylor, C Lloyd (c), A Stewart (wk), T Goddard, A Davidson, H Tayfield, C Ambrose, H Griffith

    Season 3 H Sutcliffe, M Hayden, I Chappell (c), G Pollock, A Faulkner, M Hussey, D Lindsay (wk), I Botham, A Kumble, M Marshall, D Lillee

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    But yeah Watson, that was a gem of a knock!

    By the way I have a dominating opening pair and I'd love to see RD coming if we lose Gooch early. A dominating Haydos will need someone calm @ the other end. Correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkallis View Post
    But yeah Watson, that was a gem of a knock!

    By the way I have a dominating opening pair and I'd love to see RD coming if we lose Gooch early. A dominating Haydos will need someone calm @ the other end. Correct me if I am wrong.
    The point of having an aggressive No.3 with 'presence' is that the batting side doesn't lose momentum or initiative just because an opener goes early. The feeling that the bowlers are 'on-top' shouldn't last for too long if the batting side can help it.

    And if the openers do put on a substantial stand then the batting side would still benefit from having an aggressive No.3 with 'presence' because it can then 'put the boot in'. An hour or two of Hammond in full flow with his cover drives is enough to take the game away from the opposing captain.

    With Dravid at No.3 it is possible that the batting will get 'bogged down' with the feeling that it is 'under seige' if either Gooch or Hayden get out early. That's bad for moral.

    Incidently, it is for reasons of initiative and momentum that Miller and Woolley batted higher in the order than their average warranted. Bradman and Hassett thought that it was important to keep the innings rolling along and lift the batsman who had to come in next.

    (Of course what I have just written could be all psychological mumbo jumbo and you are free to ignore it. But just think about what made Macartney, Bradman, Dexter, Kanhai, Viv Richards, Ian Chappell etc such memorable and effective No.3s )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Why Rahul Dravid is India?s greatest Test cricketer, bar none

    Agreed - you might find this interesting as well. IMO the 180 not his best but mighty close, and saying he's best suited to 6 for that reason seems wrong - I believe Bradman batted at 7 in arguably his finest innings.

    3rd Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Jan 1-7, 1937 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Under closer inspection, Bradman's reversal of the batting order may not have seemed so funny to the Tiger seeing as he was out first ball to Voce
    I guess this is the key quote from that article;

    However, his ODI batting had one thing in common with his Test career. In both forms of the game, Dravid successfully absorbed more pressure than any batsman in the history of Indian cricket. In both forms of the game – this is utterly remarkable – no other country has had any batsman achieve this. Ultimately, this is also what defines Dravid’s legacy in Indian cricket, whatever the format. And, in Test cricket particularly, doing this from the pivotal number 3 position, changed the narrative of Indian cricket in the first part of the 2000s decade. It is a contribution that cannot be underestimated.
    In the context of the Indian team I would have to agree with the author. However, KKs batting order doesn't need rescuing, saving, propping-up or defining. It is already defined as great. It's an ATG team.

    The only thing that KK has to consider is balance. I think that Dravid would enjoy batting at No.6. If his side is realing at 4-50 then he would feel right at home. And if they are 4-300 then he may appreciate being able to 'open his shoulders' and attack the bowling like we know he can do if ODIs are anything to go by.

    There's also the psychological effect on opposing bowlers. After working hard all day to get rid of the middle-order the last person they would probably want to see emerging from the pavilion is R. Dravid. More hard work with no easy wickets.
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    Watto somehow convinced me to go with,

    Hayden
    Gooch
    Hammond
    Pietersen
    Sobers
    Dravid

    Marsh ( + )
    Benaud ( c )
    Steyn
    Hall
    Adcock

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    1. Barry Richards
    2. Gordon Greenidge
    3. Charlie Macartney (6)
    4. Brian Lara
    5. AB De Villiers
    6. Frank Worrell* (5)
    7. Jeff Dujon+
    8. Kapil Dev (3)
    9. Malcolm Marshall (1)
    10. Hugh Tayfield (4)
    11. Joel Garner (2)

    12. Eddie Barlow



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