CW Draft League

[Monk]

Originally Posted by Eds

Yeah I'd play Redpath if I were you. Not sure how she'd manage against Holding, Garner, Ambrose...

That's my point, are we transferring their skills across and giving their career stats and achievements equal status with the men, meaning she (Bakewell) has an average of nearly 60? Or are we judging her as a women's cricketer playing against, as you say, Holding, Garner and Ambrose? In which case she'd struggle.

My point is, if their skills don't transfer across in to these teams, we might as well have all researched who's the best women fielder, or the best drinks waitress, or who has the best thighs in short shorts (for team morale)!

I'm not really fussed either way, but I'd probably have chosen someone else if the skills and achievements don't transfer and become comparable with the men's.....

[Eds]

It'd be based on how well we think they'd have played against these teams.

[watson]

The point of researching women cricketers is to learn something new. And learning something new is pretty cool. It makes us all more interesting people.

However, it is more than likely that all of the women cricketers would struggle against an ATG bowling attack when batting or an ATG batting line-up when bowling. They would be out of their depth in the same way that the Womens England Football team would be out of their depth against the Mens England Football team. But worse because there is no where to hide for an individual batsman or bowler at the crease. They are not a back row defender with 3 fellow defenders and a goalie beside them.

[Monk]

Originally Posted by watson

The point of researching women cricketers is to learn something new. And learning something new is pretty cool. It makes us all more interesting people.

However, it is more than likely that all of the women cricketers would struggle against an ATG bowling attack when batting or an ATG batting line-up when bowling. They would be out of their depth in the same way that the Womens England Football team would be out of their depth against the Mens England Football team. But worse because there is no where to hide for an individual batsman or bowler at the crease. They are not a back row defender with 3 fellow defenders and a goalie beside them.

I don't disagree that they'd struggle (clearly), but basically what we're doing with that rationale is selecting them as 12th "men".

Far more interesting next time (if we did this type of clause in another draft) to select them to actually play a role in the team based on their performances in women's cricket, but transferring that across to this comp.

So my XII is...

Monk's 12

- Gordon Greenidge
- Enid Bakewell (6)
- Ian Chappell
- Vijay Hazare
- Frank Worrell (c)
- AB. DeVilliers (wk)
- Jack Gregory (3)
- Richie Benaud (4)
- Hugh Trumble (5)
- Fred Trueman (2)
- Waqar Younis (1)

12th- Ian Redpath

But if I wanted to win a real test against someone else's draft team...

Monk's 12

- Gordon Greenidge
- Ian Redpath
- Ian Chappell
- Vijay Hazare
- Frank Worrell (c)
- AB. DeVilliers (wk)
- Jack Gregory (3)
- Richie Benaud (4)
- Hugh Trumble (5)
- Fred Trueman (2)
- Waqar Younis (1)

12th- Enid Bakewell

[watson]

But if I wanted to win a real test against someone else's draft team...

I take that to be the underlying assumption behind all these Drafts.

When fellow CWers vote for their favourite team they are thinking foremost which team would most likely win an inter-team Test series. Or something like that.

It sounds all very pragmatic and un-idealistic I know. But if the goals and aspirations of this Draft were to be different from normal then they should have been stated from the get-up.

[kyear2]

Female Cricketer

Rachel Heyhoe-Flint (Hall of Famer)

KYEAR XI

Arthur Morris
Bill Lawry *
Greg Chappell (6) ^
Brian Lara ^
Inzamam Ul-Haq ^
Mustaq Mohammad (5)
Jock Cameron +
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Bill O'Reilly (3)
Colin Croft (2)
Ken Farnes (4)

Rachel Heyhoe-Flint

Quite happy with effort this draft. Had fun.

[Monk]

Originally Posted by watson

I take that to be the underlying assumption behind all these Drafts.

When fellow CWers vote for their favourite team they are thinking foremost which team would most likely win an inter-team Test series. Or something like that.

It sounds all very pragmatic and un-idealistic I know. But if the goals and aspirations of this Draft were to be different from normal then they should have been stated from the get-up.

Yeh, fair enough. In that case, my line up will be the one with Redpath!

[watson]

Originally Posted by Monk

Yeh, fair enough. In that case, my line up will be the one with Redpath!

You have damned good cricket team Monk - Redpath or no Redpath.

I'll be interested in reading your team write up about Redpath because he isn't a player that would readily spring to mind. However, I do have a recollection that Ian Chappell thought very highly of him.

[Monk]

Originally Posted by watson

You have damned good cricket team Monk - Redpath or no Redpath.

I'll be interested in reading your team write up about Redpath because he isn't a player that would readily spring to mind. However, I do have a recollection that Ian Chappell thought very highly of him.

Cheers mate, to be honest I'm not entirely convinced about my line-up. I think they'd put up a very good fight though. Not entirely sure about AB keeping, but it does give my bowling attack nice variety with the three quicks plus an offie and a leggie. Bats well all the way to #9 as well, with Gregory, Benaud and Trumble all capable batsmen.

Redpath a largely unmentioned player. Average of 43 as an opener is really good, and made runs against some decent attacks. Pretty quiet, unassuming guy, great guy but not a big personality, so probably easily forgotten.

[kingkallis]

I'll pick Jan Brittin as the female cricketer

[kingkallis]

Originally Posted by kyear2

Female Cricketer

Rachel Heyhoe-Flint (Hall of Famer)

KYEAR XI

Arthur Morris
Bill Lawry *
Greg Chappell (6) ^
Brian Lara ^
Inzamam Ul-Haq ^
Mustaq Mohammad (5)
Jock Cameron +
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Bill O'Reilly (3)
Colin Croft (2)
Ken Farnes (4)

Rachel Heyhoe-Flint

Quite happy with effort this draft. Had fun.

Thats one of the best line-ups we have in this draft along with Monk, Blakus, AZH

[kingkallis]

CricZo XI

1. Jack Hobbs /
2. Barry Richards /
3. David Boon /
4. Herbie Taylor /
5. Clive Lloyd ( c ) /
6. Alec Stewart ( + ) /
7. Trevor Goddard / o
8. Alan Davidson o /
9. Hugh Tayfield o
10. Curtly Ambrose o
11. Herman Griffith o

12. Jan Brittin /

Bowling attack : Curtly Ambrose, Alan Davidson, Herman Griffith, Trevor Goddard and
Hugh Tayfield

[Himannv]

Had to do some digging to figure out who was in my team. Two days without internet does that to you.

01. Geoffrey Boycott
02. Alastair Cook
03. Viv Richards
04. Allan Border
05. Lindsey Hassett*
06. Graham Thorpe
07. Les Ames+
08. Shaun Pollock
09. Harold Larwood
10. Fred Spofforth
11. Muthiah Muralitharan

12. Ellyse Perry

[kingkallis]

Sam, thats a nice team. Voting is going to be extremely competitive this time.

[Himannv]

Awesome opening combo, kk.

Tried to pick a team with as less weak links as possible. I'm also counting on Perry to win me some votes.