Saker rates attack as good as great Australians

[Cabinet96]

Lee took 310 wickets at 30 apiece from memory, surely that rates well compared to Broad and especially Bresnan?

Broad actually has about 160 wickets at a better average than Lee at the moment, and if you just look at the last 2 years he averages about 24 I believe. Bresnan's sample size is probably a bit too small, but he has done very well for himself.

 

[Debris]

Lee took 310 wickets at 30 apiece from memory, surely that rates well compared to Broad and especially Bresnan?

And Lee's average probably took a fair hit because he was being asked to play a role for a lot of his career. Steve Waugh in particular want him to rough opposition batsman up rather than get them out.

It was noticable how much better he became after McGrath retired. He was finally bowling to get batsmen out rather than knock them out.

 

[Spikey]

Broad actually has about 160 wickets at a better average than Lee at the moment, and if you just look at the last 2 years he averages about 24 I believe. Bresnan's sample size is probably a bit too small, but he has done very well for himself.

Well lee took 148 wickets at 26.92 from the 2005 aus summer til about the end of his career, and then of course, the 80 odd wickets at 26 at the start of his career,...so yeah that's about 230 wickets at around 26-27.oh and at a strike rate probably below 50.

Of course the time inbetween was fairly shocking...but still. Broad from the start of his career til that SL series before the India series is actually probably fairly similar to Lee in that 'middle' period, in terms of results anyway. And Broad's performance since that India series is probably fairly similar to Lee's start

 

[Spikey]

i'm trying to say that Lee has two golden periods that are really awesome and also one really bad one

 

[Scaly piscine]

My enduring memory of Brett Lee bowling will always be at the end of the 2005 Ashes when he was throwing everything at Hoggard, being gun barrel straight and Matthew played him with a stick of rhubarb.

Would struggle to get into England's second seam bowling attack for me. Massively over-rated Test bowler.

 

[Jacknife]

Obviously the England bowling attack isn't as good as Warne, McGrath, Gillespie and AN Other, but I'm not sure that Saker was really saying that it is, when you consider his comments as a whole. Makes a good headline, though.

Pretty much what I thought, don't like the headline but when you read it I don't think that's what he's saying.

 

[uvelocity]

Brett Lee Brilliant Set Up Of Andrew Strauss - YouTube

 

[GIMH]

Broad has the potential to be as good or better than Dizzy but not yet. Needs to do what he's doing for longer.

Anderson though is gun.

Yeah I probably could have worded it better, but if you take the way Broad has bowled in the last year or so, it matches up to any period from Dizzy IMO. If you looked at careers overall it's a none starter at this point, but that's a question for Broad's career being over.

My overall point, anyway, is that McGrath & Warne are two of the best ever but I think Anderson & Broad could have got into that Australia XI, which suggests certain comments in this thread have been OTT. There are some posters round here who for some reason still aren't giving this attack the credit it deserves and I don't know what more they can do to get it.

 

[Son Of Coco]

It was noticable how much better he became after McGrath retired. He was finally bowling to get batsmen out rather than knock them out.

Was thinking this as well, the bowler he was after McGrath retired made you think "Where the **** was this for the last however many years!?"

Think Kasper and Bichel are a little under-rated because they struggled to get in the team for the most part. They would've walked in the past 3-4 years.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Kaspa was very important in the 2003-05 period, the tours to SL and India he was huge. Made a weird career progression, started off as a guy bowling big hooping out-swingers, and towards the end seemed to slide most balls in towards the stumps, sort of like a slinger.

I don't think that you could ever say that Bichel was part of the Australian first choice Test attack. Kaspa certainly was at one stage.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Brett Lee Brilliant Set Up Of Andrew Strauss - YouTube

Strauss half a second too slow on number one, and half a second too fast on number two.

Was just watching this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OedHivIfkSM&feature=relmfu

Probably highlights a good reason why you don't bounce the **** out of a guy who can bowl 150kph+...he might come looking for you when it's your turn to bat.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Yeah I probably could have worded it better, but if you take the way Broad has bowled in the last year or so, it matches up to any period from Dizzy IMO. If you looked at careers overall it's a none starter at this point, but that's a question for Broad's career being over.

My overall point, anyway, is that McGrath & Warne are two of the best ever but I think Anderson & Broad could have got into that Australia XI, which suggests certain comments in this thread have been OTT. There are some posters round here who for some reason still aren't giving this attack the credit it deserves and I don't know what more they can do to get it.

Face SA and do well for starters. I'd like to see them bowl to a side in form and willing to grind them down, not people like Kieron Powell, and then see if they have a plan B or C.

 

[Spikey]

i think Bichel has been ever so slightly over-rated due to the whole 12th man thing

 

[Spikey]

Stuart Clark - *Delivery of the Decade* (Bill Lawry Orgasm) - YouTube

 

[Spikey]

can't believe rob hasn't uploaded every single stuart clark wicket. disappointing to say the least

 

[Furball]

Face SA and do well for starters. I'd like to see them bowl to a side in form and willing to grind them down, not people like Kieron Powell, and then see if they have a plan B or C.

If they manage that then people like you will find something else to nit pick about.

After demolishing Pakistan in summer 2010, people said "well, we'll see how they go in Australia." Broad got injured, but Anderson had the best series by a visiting quick for 20 years.

"Ah, but that Australian line up was crap" people said. "Sri Lanka and India will pose a much sterner test of their abilities."

Then they dominated both. "Oh, but that's at home. Let's see how they do in Asia."

They both averaged under 30 in the UAE, and Anderson bowled beautifully in Sri Lanka.

Now it's "we'll ignore how well they've bowled against the West Indies because they're crap. Let's see how they fare against South Africa."

Then, should they do well against South Africa, it'll be "they haven't done it in India." (even though Anderson has.)

 

[Jacknife]

If they manage that then people like you will find something else to nit pick about.

After demolishing Pakistan in summer 2010, people said "well, we'll see how they go in Australia." Broad got injured, but Anderson had the best series by a visiting quick for 20 years.

"Ah, but that Australian line up was crap" people said. "Sri Lanka and India will pose a much sterner test of their abilities."

Then they dominated both. "Oh, but that's at home. Let's see how they do in Asia."

They both averaged under 30 in the UAE, and Anderson bowled beautifully in Sri Lanka.

Now it's "we'll ignore how well they've bowled against the West Indies because they're crap. Let's see how they fare against South Africa."

Then, should they do well against South Africa, it'll be "they haven't done it in India." (even though Anderson has.)

Sure will, it's almost a given now.

 

[Jacknife]

Face SA and do well for starters. I'd like to see them bowl to a side in form and willing to grind them down, not people like Kieron Powell, and then see if they have a plan B or C.

Yes because they've only bowled well to the WI haven't they mate.

 

[Uppercut]

Some shocking use of stats in here. It's as if there's a rule of cricket I've never heard of stating that bowlers aren't allowed to improve over the course of their test career.

Also, lol Saker. Swann especially must be a bit embarrassed. It's like your Mum publicly declaring to the school that you're as good looking as Brad Pitt.

 

[Ikki]

The headline is a bit misleading. Saker doesn't really suggest they're as good as them. But I guess he should have known how his words may have been used by the media.