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    Why have West Indian pitches slowed down?

    Commentators at the test yesterday were talking about how the Caribbean wickets have slowed down in the last decade or more. Heard that before, but I don't remember anyone explaining why. It seems pretty indisputable it has happened, but I don't recall us even having a discussion on here about the reasons for it. Is it climatic? Down to poor groundstaff? Or has their been a culture change in the West Indies towards fast wickets?
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    I haven't heard any explanations myself, but I vaguely recall reading that the main reason the WACA had quietened down was because the earth that was used to make the wicket (from a dried up riverbed, IIRC) had run out.

    My guess is maybe something similar in the caribbean. Some of the old test grounds have been replaced and perhaps the new ones aren't as conducive to making the hard, fast and bouncy decks we used to see.
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    If you listen to Holding he plays down the fact the pitches in West Indies were ever quick anyway even in his era.

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    I'd say the rose-tinted specs are playing their part. That and the fact that they had one of the best fast bowling attacks of all time.
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    In 70s, 80s and early 90s, pitch mattered little for WI pace bowlers.
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    Presumably you don't prepare a quick wicket unless your fast bowlers are better than the oppo

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Presumably you don't prepare a quick wicket unless your fast bowlers are better than the oppo
    Helpful pitch will close down the gap between a superior and an inferior bowling attack. If your fast bowlers are better, prepare less bowler friendly pitches, because they can still get something out of it while other team cannot get anything out of it.

    Best example I could give is SL pitches, which are deemed "spin" friendly. No one except Murali, Warne and Vettori bowled well on them. Almost all Indian and Pakistani spinners averaged 40 on them because only Murali could get spin out of the pitch.

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    We tried doing the helpful wickets thing for the India series last year... Wasn't helpful enough for them,
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    Obviously when opposition bowlers are utter **** then pitch woudn't matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Helpful pitch will close down the gap between a superior and an inferior bowling attack. If your fast bowlers are better, prepare less bowler friendly pitches, because they can still get something out of it while other team cannot get anything out of it.

    Best example I could give is SL pitches, which are deemed "spin" friendly. No one except Murali, Warne and Vettori bowled well on them. Almost all Indian and Pakistani spinners averaged 40 on them because only Murali could get spin out of the pitch.
    It's hardly like Murali and Warne particularly need spin friendly pitches either, or that Vettori gets any help from turning decks.
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    the WI pitches weren't ever renowned to be really quick
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