By your own criteria Ponting would have to be the best Captain ever to walk on the field. He was an outstanding leader leading from the front, his players were quick to rally behind him and had nothing but praise for him and he got the results.
From what I 'd read in here I thought people were referring more to his general attitude towards captaincy. He does need some more series under his belt before a judgement can be made on his record. But would you say a record that doesn't live up to the Waughs of Taylors would make him a bad captain? Stephen Fleming was a very good captain, but I don't think his record with NZ was anything outstanding as far as winning games goes.
Easy to look good against poor sides though, the real test comes against the good ones. Can he make smart field changes and bowling changes to conjure up the moments to turn a game. So far he hasn't been tested on that front, I liked him being unusual by opening with a spinner though, took balls to do that. Looks good so far but will he have good ideas or crumble when the going gets tough?
Australia have beaten Sri Lanka, thats the team that beat England in a test match just recently, India which is one of the top three teams and drew a mini series with NZ.
I thought that's what people were talking about him doing up to this point in some situations. Stephen Fleming?
Yes, but it is easy to look good against minnows when you have a better side. Will the same things work against better sides is what I am saying. For that we have to wait and see.
I never claimed they were massively strong teams, I just refuted your claim that they are poor sides. Bangledesh and Zimbabwe are poor sides but I wouldent put WI and NZ in the same boat. WI did manage to win a match against Pakistan.
That we can't call him the greatest captain around like the thread opener suggests until we see his record against some of the top sides. Not OTT is it but the Crims got a bit uppity and arsey as someone dared to say he might not be all that.
The OP didnt suggest he was the greatest but simply the best captain around. You are entitled to put up your opinion on who is the best captain around at the moment.
I have already said Strauss is an ordinary captain if you look at the thread.The OP didnt suggest he was the greatest but simply the best captain around. You are entitled to put up your opinion on who is the best captain around at the moment.
You know you want to put up Strauss but just cant bring yourself to do it
So what good teams has Misbah beaten?
Just as I thought. If Strauss cant be the best then it cant be an Australian. I see why so many English players suffer mental problems, 18 years has taken its toll/
I'm not biting, I'm trying to have a discussion with you. I did forget that having a discussion with you means not actually answering any questions you're asked and ignoring what people here are actually talking about.Yes, but it is easy to look good against minnows when you have a better side. Will the same things work against better sides is what I am saying. For that we have to wait and see.
FFS you convicts are way too uptight. You can tell that you aren't number 1 any more as you bite at anyone who disagrees with anything about your side.
You can add this to the Stephen Fleming question, just so you can get your head around it - would you say being beaten by a team that is better than you makes a player a bad captain? Or would you judge them more on their approach to captaincy during the games in question (as well as the rest of their career?) I'm not saying Clarke is the best captain at the moment by the way, as someone else said - there's not a lot to choose from.That we can't call him the greatest captain around like the thread opener suggests until we see his record against some of the top sides. Not OTT is it but the Crims got a bit uppity and arsey as someone dared to say he might not be all that.
