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Last edited by Howe_zat; 23-02-2012 at 02:10 AM.
"Your averages, captain, coaches and players can probably survive incompetence over a relatively short series, so if youíre going to be rubbish, make sure itís against Pakistan, Sri Lanka, New Zealand or someone."
As Sparkley says that word is easily used when it comes to Proteas but when it happens to other countries their supporters use words bad luck or the like.
Anyway here is my list:
Australia vs South Africa - I think 93/94 Sydney Test match, it was worse due to the huge gulf in experience between the two sides. I think Proteas were defending 120 or something
That famous tour by Australia to India, that match with that follow on innings by Laxman and co.
England vs West Indies - that final in England - ICC Champs Trophy I think
51 All Out by England against Windies
England - 2006/07 Ashes - Adelaide where Collingwood scored that 200
India - That match where Michael Clarke took all those wickets - was it Sydney
England Lords 2008 . Granted they didnt lose but the Proteas were in such trouble I cant believe they didnt lose that match.
Australia - Australia vs South Africa - Perth and Melbourne. Yes South Africa were given a great chance before they arrived, but during those 2 games Australia got into very strong positions
India - Newlands Jan 2011 - I was at the ground, by the time I got to my seat we had lost three wickets and it was turning square. With a slim lead of 50 odd and 5 wickets down and the reputation of not playing spin, yes India didnt lose that match but they should have won easily thus taking the series. It was funny Smith got most of the blame as usual, but not a peep about Dhoni.
India - The recent test series' against England and Australia. Yes there bowlers arent great, but to lose 8 - 0 with the batsmen they have, the hype and being ranked number one and insisting they deserve to be number one.
Australia - Newlands 2012 - again the position that they were in.
England - The recent Pakistan series. I have often seen the choke term used when a side is overwhelming favourites and then lose. I still dont buy this line of not playing spin that they are using retrospectively. Plus bowling out a side for 99 first innings...
Oops and that 438 game
Last edited by Heboric; 23-02-2012 at 02:45 AM.
Where do i say that India didnt deserve to be number one, they were number one thus should have performed better in England and Australia.
Regarding Proteas - there away form counter balances there dodgy home performances of late
Nah more of a 'correct some wrong perceptions' response.
Stick around long enough and you will understand I don't give a crap about any particular side.
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I have a rough recollection of a couple Australian ODI losses. I think both involved Bruce Reid.
One was against England, and England needed something like 18 runs off the final over. Back in the day, this was viewed as nigh on impossible. Reid was our most reliable bowler. The game was in the bag. Was it Lamb who was batting, and he did it comfortably?
The other one was Australia chasing. Can't remember who the other one was against, but Australia only needed 1 or 2 off the final over, but Reid was on strike. He couldn't even get bat on ball. Of course, he was a batting bunny, but you would think he would at least be able to get off strike!
New Zealand, 1991-92. Chris Pringle bowled it. Was a pretty average over too - should have been a wide in there, plus one or two full-tosses. Just Reid was awful. I wouldn't necessarily call it a choke, given he was such a bunny.
Choke can be a term bandied around too much, as well.
The 1999 World Cup semi is what instantly comes to mind. While there may be bigger chokes, like the other day, the importance of that game pushes it over the line for me, when it comes to the worst.
Re: Donald's choke, every time I've seen that it looks like there was never a run there and Klusener shouldn't have run?
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