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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Tucker
had best stats in early 90s
now think about controversies , injuries , diabetics , pak team's unity , fielding standards..etc
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no:3 pace bowler behind lillee and marshall
a panel member said , he is among 3 best fast bowlers he has seen . marshal , akram and lillee , akram had more weapons than those two.
ask akram's contemporaries , who is their best fast bowler..
I would rate Wasim behind Imran and more often than not Waqar, but that is just my opnion and it was Waqar who was one of my favorites growing up, just though he was the more dangerous of the two.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
He was a great fast bowler, there's no doubt. But he isn't the best. I can think of at least 5 off the top of my head who I consider better than him.
I agree that there should be a separate thread for this, but anyway, just a thought on the whole Akram topic: Taking the batch of the 90s bowlers - Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose and McGrath (McGrath to a lesser extent as his skills reached their peak in the 2000s according to me) - The most destructive peak was, I think most will agree, Waqar's. Ambrose, McGrath and Pollock were the ones who would give you great results day in and day out with their enormous range of subtle variations which required as enormous a skill package as the reverse swinging erotica of the Ws. And the thing about Donald and Wasim was that both of them would consistently through the years produce those incredible spells of bowling which looked (and were) magnificent, breathtaking, and unplayable. They were special because they could produce those kind of wondrous spells quite regularly through the year, but of course not in every test. I think that's how I think of these guys.
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My dream opening combo would be to see Steyn and Waqar bowling together. One has the best outswinger I have ever seen and the other the best inswinger.
Incidentally Waqar has been hired to coach in the IPL and Steyn is playing for that team. Maybe he could learn a few tricks from Waqar.
It's been so long since Waqar's prime, but did he even have any tricks in his armoury other than the yorker? He's synonymous with that for good reason, but rarely do you see footage where he's doing something else with the ball. Steyn is a far more complete fast bowler IMO, especially now that he's obviously working more effectively with the one that nips in. Definitely has a nastier shorter length for one.
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And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
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The difference between the two goes beyond stats, imo. Why is Marshall rated the best ever by most? I mean, his stats are pretty similar to most of his competition, so what makes Malcolm stand out? There is something that goes beyond stats that gets someone like Marshall recognition over his statistical rivals, and to me that is the same something that makes Steyn more valuable than Donald as a bowler. Who would you want to take the new ball for you in a crucial match?
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