Ajmal claims special concession to 15 degree rule allowed by ICC - Page 3

Spark · 07-02-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

It's funny how this natural kink has only just come into the open isn't it?

Who cares?

Agent Nationaux · 07-02-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

It's funny how this natural kink has only just come into the open isn't it?

Not really, he gave an interview in urdu about it. To you and most people it has just come out, but the ICC knew it all along and that is what matters.

Why does it matter if the media did not know about it before?

honestbharani · 07-02-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by honestbharani

nah.. . Funny how you only notice it after he has made your batsmen look like idiots.

From that article:

International Cricket Council - News

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Originally Posted by ICC

ICC General Manager – Cricket, David Richardson, said: ''There is a big difference between the “elbow carry angle” (elbow abduction) and the degree of elbow extension. There is nothing preventing a bowler bowling with a bent arm, provided he does not straighten it beyond the permitted degrees of tolerance.''

Where are the genius who were teaching me laws of bowling in the other thread?

Agent Nationaux · 07-02-2012, 07:10 AM

So does this mean that guys like Brumby who were labelling Ajmal as a chucker were wrong because of this natural kink making it look like chucking (deceiving their judgement). He may be ugly to watch but this new evidence shows that he really wasn't a chucker all along.

Cevno · 07-02-2012, 07:15 AM

Too much concentration on his action by the English Media and ex - cricketers this series for my liking. Yes the Teesra was really bad, but he stopped bowling that and it's not like that he has just started playing cricket or came out of nowhere.

ganeshran · 07-02-2012, 07:21 AM

Lets not blame the English performance on Ajmal's action. They failed against Rehman who has a squeaky clean action.

Ajmal's doosra looks to be chucked to the naked eye. But if its within the rules, then how can it be illegal? ICC should just make sure that bowlers are not bowling legally while testing and then chucking during the match,

benchmark00 · 07-02-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

It's funny how this natural kink has only just come into the open isn't it?

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Originally Posted by honestbharani

nah.. . Funny how you only notice it after he has made your batsmen look like idiots.

Bingo.

Agent Nationaux · 07-02-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ganeshran

Lets not blame the English performance on Ajmal's action. They failed against Rehman who has a squeaky clean action.

Ajmal's doosra looks to be chucked to the naked eye. But if its within the rules, then how can it be illegal? ICC should just make sure that bowlers are not bowling legally while testing and then chucking during the match,

Testing isn't exactly the best way to make sure the bowler is consistent in a match and in the lab. However they do compare the bowlers action in the lab with his action in a match. They make sure that he is bowling at the same speed and puts the same revolution on the ball as he does in match conditions. How is it that Botha got caught by the ICC bit Ajmal hasn't? Is Ajmal more sneaky and clever than Botha?

GingerFurball · 07-02-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

Testing isn't exactly the best way to make sure the bowler is consistent in a match and in the lab. However they do compare the bowlers action in the lab with his action in a match. They make sure that he is bowling at the same speed and puts the same revolution on the ball as he does in match conditions. How is it that Botha got caught by the ICC bit Ajmal hasn't? Is Ajmal more sneaky and clever than Botha?

Botha got caught because his doosra was measured at about 30 degrees IIRC.

smalishah84 · 07-02-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

It's funny how this natural kink has only just come into the open isn't it?

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Originally Posted by honestbharani

nah.. . Funny how you only notice it after he has made your batsmen look like idiots.

haha.....so true

Z-Man · 07-02-2012, 08:04 AM

PCB clarifies Saeed Ajmal’s comments

Lahore February 7, 2012: Pakistan Team Manager Naveed Akram Cheema, while clarifying off-spinner Saeed Ajmal’s comments on his bowling action, has issued the following statement:

“The ICC’s level of tolerance of 15 degrees relates to the degree of elbow extension that is permitted in the bowling action i.e. the amount by which the arm is straightening.

“Previous tests conducted on the action of Saeed Ajmal show that the degree of elbow extension is well within ICC’s tolerance levels.

“Saeed Ajmal was referring to the angle of elbow abduction i.e. the angle of the upper arm to the forearm and not the degree of elbow extension. This angle is approximately 23 degrees in Saeed’s case.”

ICC General Manager – Cricket, David Richardson, said: “There is a big difference between the “elbow carry angle” (elbow abduction) and the degree of elbow extension. There is nothing preventing a bowler bowling with a bent arm, provided he does not straighten it beyond the permitted degrees of tolerance.”

PCB Media Department

a spambot · 07-02-2012, 08:05 AM

if this was coming from bitterness or whatever they would also be accusing rehman but no one has said a word about him. face it, they're calling him a chucker because he looks an awful lot like one.

Agent Nationaux · 07-02-2012, 08:09 AM

Looking like a chucker and being a chucker isn't the same. The ICC know more than anyone else. The English media can cry as much as they want but it won't change the fact that he has been cleared by the ICC.

gvenkat · 07-02-2012, 08:28 AM

ICC has scientific methods to Test these alleged chuckers. Ajmal has been cleared by the ICC. It appears that Ajmal did not know what he was trying to convey with that 23.5 degrees. ICC has come out and said that it is not the case.

Because the English batters appeared clueless and could not pick his doosra, teesra etc. Bob (Willis), Andy (Flower), Tom, Dick and Harry call him chuckers..

Classic case of Sour Grapes.

gvenkat · 07-02-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

Looking like a chucker and being a chucker isn't the same. The ICC know more than anyone else. The English media can cry as much as they want but it won't change the fact that he has been cleared by the ICC.

Sour Grapes. Usually Delhi Belly is an excuse. This time it's chucking.

07-02-2012, 07:21 AM	#36 (permalink)
ganeshran International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: India Posts: 2,295	Lets not blame the English performance on Ajmal's action. They failed against Rehman who has a squeaky clean action. Ajmal's doosra looks to be chucked to the naked eye. But if its within the rules, then how can it be illegal? ICC should just make sure that bowlers are not bowling legally while testing and then chucking during the match, __________________ Get well soon Yuvi!!

07-02-2012, 08:04 AM	#41 (permalink)
Z-Man U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lahore Posts: 541	PCB clarifies Saeed Ajmal’s comments *Lahore February 7, 2012: Pakistan Team Manager Naveed Akram Cheema, while clarifying off-spinner Saeed Ajmal’s comments on his bowling action, has issued the following statement: “The ICC’s level of tolerance of 15 degrees relates to the degree of elbow extension that is permitted in the bowling action i.e. the amount by which the arm is straightening. “Previous tests conducted on the action of Saeed Ajmal show that the degree of elbow extension is well within ICC’s tolerance levels. “Saeed Ajmal was referring to the angle of elbow abduction i.e. the angle of the upper arm to the forearm and not the degree of elbow extension. This angle is approximately 23 degrees in Saeed’s case.” ICC General Manager – Cricket, David Richardson, said: “There is a big difference between the “elbow carry angle” (elbow abduction) and the degree of elbow extension. There is nothing preventing a bowler bowling with a bent arm, provided he does not straighten it beyond the permitted degrees of tolerance.” PCB Media Department* __________________ "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" - John Maynard Keynes

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07-02-2012, 07:10 AM	#34 (permalink)
Agent Nationaux Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 8,286	So does this mean that guys like Brumby who were labelling Ajmal as a chucker were wrong because of this natural kink making it look like chucking (deceiving their judgement). He may be ugly to watch but this new evidence shows that he really wasn't a chucker all along.

07-02-2012, 07:15 AM	#35 (permalink)
Cevno International Coach Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: India Posts: 14,950	Too much concentration on his action by the English Media and ex - cricketers this series for my liking. Yes the Teesra was really bad, but he stopped bowling that and it's not like that he has just started playing cricket or came out of nowhere.

07-02-2012, 08:05 AM	#42 (permalink)
a spambot School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 57	if this was coming from bitterness or whatever they would also be accusing rehman but no one has said a word about him. face it, they're calling him a chucker because he looks an awful lot like one.

07-02-2012, 08:09 AM	#43 (permalink)
Agent Nationaux Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 8,286	Looking like a chucker and being a chucker isn't the same. The ICC know more than anyone else. The English media can cry as much as they want but it won't change the fact that he has been cleared by the ICC.

07-02-2012, 08:28 AM	#44 (permalink)
gvenkat Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,554	ICC has scientific methods to Test these alleged chuckers. Ajmal has been cleared by the ICC. It appears that Ajmal did not know what he was trying to convey with that 23.5 degrees. ICC has come out and said that it is not the case. Because the English batters appeared clueless and could not pick his doosra, teesra etc. Bob (Willis), Andy (Flower), Tom, Dick and Harry call him chuckers.. Classic case of Sour Grapes.

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