Ajmal claims special concession to 15 degree rule allowed by ICC

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by shankar

Nope. If you were referring to the 2006 series, there were reports that India made a complaint after the second test in Faisalabad (Shoaib went for 1/100), which were later denied. Chappell's comments happened after India's first innings at Karachi had completed in which Shoaib picked 2/70. India did go on to lose that test but Shoaib had little role to play in it.

Chappell ignites Shoaib action debate | Cricket News | India in Pakistan | ESPN Cricinfo

There is something seriously different about it [Shoaib's action]," Reuters has quoted Chappell as saying to India's 24-hour television channel Times Now. His comments came after Sachin Tendulkar and Anil Kumble were hit on the helmet by rising Shoaib deliveries in the ongoing third and final Test at Karachi. Chappell added that India could do without its players being hit like that.

[shankar]

So you're agreeing with me that his comments had nothing to do with the match result? Sachin and Kumble were hit during the first inning and Chappell made the comments after that. He's not even talking about wicket-taking deliveries!

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by 8ankitj

That'd be Chappell and not India. Apart from a few ordinary fans and such, I honestly don't remember any Indian associated with top level cricket (captain, player, manager, selector etc) complaining about Akhtar's action.

Do you expect the issue to come up at the ballot box in an election? He was India's coach - if he says it, it's coming from the Indian camp.

[8ankitj]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Do you expect the issue to come up at the ballot box in an election? He was India's coach - if he says it, it's coming from the Indian camp.

You said Indians.
(1) I don't know of another individual that brought it up.
(2) While Chappell was representing India, he doesn't typify "Indians".

Not saying that Indians don't whine but in this case facts don't back what you are saying.

[wellAlbidarned]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

That simply isn't true.

The last time Ajmal was tested their was no extant technology that allowed the revolutions of a ball to even be measured in a laboratory, never mind from 27 frame per second TV footage.

I'd also direct people to a previous post of mine, quoting Dave Richardson:

Measuring revs is a matter or sitting there and manually counting, also cameras at sporting events tend to be run at 60 fps. The final broadcast may be lower but they can still use the full 60 undoubtedly.

[uvelocity]

Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned

Measuring revs is a matter or sitting there and manually counting, also cameras at sporting events tend to be run at 60 fps. The final broadcast may be lower but they can still use the full 60 undoubtedly.

[Jono]

Rain Man gif would have been better

[uvelocity]

[Jono]

I said man ffs.

[uvelocity]

sus

[Daemon]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Definitely do not agree with 3).

The very fact his action sometimes looks worse

It's not a fact though, it's our opinion watching footage on tv without comparing a range of samples of his bowling coupled with some fancy technology used by lab geeks which we do not understand and are merely speculating on.

It may not be so clear cut and I can accept the idea that their technology may be flawed but there's just no comparison between that and the naked eye watching ~5 slow motions of his action per innings.

It's similar to the debates we once had regarding hawk eye in that sense, and we all know what the majority and (imo) correct opinion was on that matter.

Basically going on the points at hand I think there's a higher probablity that he's well within the rules. Just that these rules are ****.

[BeardofAmla]

The fact is you can chuck and still stay within the 15 degrees just by expanding sideways aka the javelin action.

[GingerFurball]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Wrong on both counts. It was India's tour of Pakistan in 2006. First two matches were draws and not a peep from the Indians. In the third and final match, India lost by 300+ runs and Chappell whined.

If you're going to moan about someone's action, do it after winning. Otherwise:

We dial 999. That must be why we're stereotyped as whingers.

[kykweer.proteas]

Ok... So we won... Quite comfortably... Deteriorating wicket... And as I have been saying all along. Ajmal's doosra is an illegitimate throw. Doesn't not seem in bounds with the 15 degree rule, not that it might be 16 degrees but because he bends his arm likely close to 30 degrees. These are the facts deal with it.

[wellAlbidarned]

Originally Posted by kykweer.proteas

These are the facts.

No, that is speculation. Learn the difference.