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    Non performing Captains

    Just read an article on cricinfo where they talk about pressure on Strauss due to lack of runs however he has been short of runs for a while now and this has only come to the fore when the team has lost.

    So do you think a free ride is justified for a captain just because his team is winning, isn't the first responsibility of a cricketer is to make runs or take wickets rest of the things like how well they captain the team comes later.

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    depends if you want a specialist captain or not
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Its not just the captain though..the issue is when the team is winning, you can always carry a few non performing players... England carried a woefully out of form Collingwood all through the Ashes and it didn't effect them...because nothing succeeds like success. When things go wrong, that's when everything crumbles.. So now all of a sudden cricinfo will write articles about Strauss..they didn't during the India series.

    Ultimately you have to look at each issue individually..like PEWS said in the other topic...England do not really have a replacement opener. So its not like they have someone who is likely to come in and score runs.

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    PEWS is fast becoming a guru for the fans on here


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    Like Jayawardene has a few centuries outside of flat pitches in a career of 10000 runs, PEWS has a few good posts in his career of 30000 posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    Like Jayawardene has a few centuries outside of flat pitches in a career of 10000 runs, PEWS has a few good posts in his career of 30000 posts
    I love PEWS. Yeah precam here. Ban me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digambaran View Post
    I love PEWS. Yeah precam here. Ban me.
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    lol.......this is hilarious.

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    Be interesting to see the captain/not captain stats for Hussain, Vaughan & Strauss. My guess is all have done worse with the armband.

    Love Strauss, obvz, but I don't think he's a Brearley as a captain (or, happily, as batsman either), so I don't know how long we can carry him for. What is he? 35 this year. Could get a second wind, but he's a class or two below some of the older guys (Sachin, Dravid, Punter, etc) who have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Be interesting to see the captain/not captain stats for Hussain, Vaughan & Strauss. My guess is all have done worse with the armband.

    Love Strauss, obvz, but I don't think he's a Brearley as a captain (or, happily, as batsman either), so I don't know how long we can carry him for. What is he? 35 this year. Could get a second wind, but he's a class or two below some of the older guys (Sachin, Dravid, Punter, etc) who have.
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    Going back to your points, one of the things about Strauss, iirc, is that at first his batting flourished with the captaincy, which suggests that the current decline is down to other factors. Looking forward, my guess is that Graeme Smith will claim his 3rd victim this summer.

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    Can't believe Strauss is barely averaging over 40. It's incredible really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    Just read an article on cricinfo where they talk about pressure on Strauss due to lack of runs however he has been short of runs for a while now and this has only come to the fore when the team has lost.

    So do you think a free ride is justified for a captain just because his team is winning, isn't the first responsibility of a cricketer is to make runs or take wickets rest of the things like how well they captain the team comes later.
    It's not as bad as some people have been making out, he's made decent scores over the past few years anyway. He batted well in the Ashes and didn't have a brilliant summer last year but made a good score before been bowled off a no-ball.

    More to the point, who'd you replace him with anyway?

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    Its not just the captain though..the issue is when the team is winning, you can always carry a few non performing players... England carried a woefully out of form Collingwood all through the Ashes and it didn't effect them...because nothing succeeds like success. When things go wrong, that's when everything crumbles.. So now all of a sudden cricinfo will write articles about Strauss..they didn't during the India series.

    Ultimately you have to look at each issue individually..like PEWS said in the other topic...England do not really have a replacement opener. So its not like they have someone who is likely to come in and score runs.
    Collingwood's alternative was Bopara.

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    So Engalnd have no depth in the batting department, if Strauss who averages below 30 over the last two years and there is no replacement knocking on the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    So Engalnd have no depth in the batting department, if Strauss who averages below 30 over the last two years and there is no replacement knocking on the door.
    They've got a couple of promising middle order players.

    Openers though - no, not really. If Strauss was actually injured they'd either open with Trott, push Bell up to three and bring in another middle order batsman at six or they'd play Carberry; neither of which are better options than a proven Test opener like Strauss even if he's been sub-par for the last two years.

    Long term they'll be looking at Hales and Root but they aren't there yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    So Engalnd have no depth in the batting department, if Strauss who averages below 30 over the last two years and there is no replacement knocking on the door.
    Pretty much.

    James Taylor is pretty much the only **** that looks like a quality player ats.
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