***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2012 - Page 52

thierry henry · 24-02-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by straw man

I've always thought of Taylor as a T20 player and a test player. Doesn't have a middle gear to turn over the strike in ODIs. I think it was this innings from 2009 Champions Trophy that epitomised it for me. Just. Could. Not. Score. Singles. He's really best in ODIs when comes in later and can treat it like a T20. I've thought at times he should bat 6 tbh.

Edit: Still has improved as an ODI player as average of 36 attests.

I know it's a long time ago now, but when Taylor first came into the Black Caps he was arguably the best 50-over player we had ever seen in NZ. Had a terrific record. On the other hand, his FC record was only ok, hence it took another 18 months before he got picked for tests. I guess I've always perceived him as a good 50-over player even if the ODI performances haven't shown it. However, his performances in international T20 have been even worse in comparison to how he kills it in domestic T20.

straw man · 24-02-2012, 03:58 PM

Yes true, right back at the start of his international career he did seem like more an ODI option. Decent average but not brilliant SR. Combine Taylor with other similar players and can see why we get bogged down in the middle overs sometimes. I'm sure I'll cop flak for this but the sort of Hamish Marshall-like player who could score singles and 2s at a run-a-ball is seriously missing from our ODI middle order. He did do this a few times before becoming ****.

I can't explain his poor T20 international record compared to IPL - seems like an anomaly.

Prince EWS · 24-02-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by straw man

Yes true, right back at the start of his international career he did seem like more an ODI option. Decent average but not brilliant SR. Combine Taylor with other similar players and can see why we get bogged down in the middle overs sometimes. I'm sure I'll cop flak for this but the sort of Hamish Marshall-like player who could score singles and 2s at a run-a-ball is seriously missing from our ODI middle order. He did do this a few times before becoming ****.

Yep; most of your players are very reliant on boundaries to score quickly. That's fine at the top of the innings or even really late in the innings (providing the batsman also has power and the ability to play lofted strokes as a power hitter) but in the middle you could really use someone who scored at a strike rate of 90 or so just by minimising dot balls. Hamish Marshall in the short period he was actually good at cricket is a perfect example.

That's why I'm so keen on Ryder to move to the middle order. Yeah he's not very quick between the wickets and yeah he seems to have converted himself into somewhat of a big filthy slogger lately for some reason but when he's batting well he's the best in the country at effortless scoring singles off good deliveries.

straw man · 24-02-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

That's why I'm so keen on Ryder to move to the middle order. Yeah he's not very quick between the wickets and yeah he seems to have converted himself into somewhat a big filthy slogger lately for some reason but when he's batting well he's the best in the country and effortless scoring singles off good deliveries.

Yes am quietly hopeful thought not holding my breath that he will play this role.

Predictions: After the débâcle of the last T20, we need to win this match or else South Africa will run away with the ODI series and win the tests comfortably.

BeeGee · 24-02-2012, 05:37 PM

NZ bating first.

Mike5181 · 24-02-2012, 05:37 PM

Batting first gun. I feel more comfortable chasing but hopefully we put up a decent score.

SeamUp · 24-02-2012, 05:38 PM

Pitch looks a good'un.

Mike5181 · 24-02-2012, 05:58 PM

Where's the crowd at?

SeamUp · 24-02-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike5181

Where's the crowd at?

Yeah, the rugby is only later for the Wellington faithful.

_Ed_ · 24-02-2012, 06:05 PM

Yeah, it's a disappointing turnout so far. Looks like only a couple of thousand.

thierry henry · 24-02-2012, 06:05 PM

wtf? A perfect Saturday afternoon against top class opposition and we get the smallest crowd of the season, including all of the Zimbabwe games?

GAGF Wellington ****s

Mike5181 · 24-02-2012, 06:09 PM

Saturday sport i guess

straw man · 24-02-2012, 06:10 PM

My brother plays club cricket in Wellington - of course they have scheduled matches for today so he can't go to the ODI.

Mike5181 · 24-02-2012, 06:12 PM

I have to disagree with Richards on that. It was a clear wide. The batsman didn't move out of his stance at all.

straw man · 24-02-2012, 06:12 PM

SA generous with the extras so far

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24-02-2012, 03:58 PM	#767 (permalink)
straw man International Vice-Captain Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: l Posts: 4,914	Yes true, right back at the start of his international career he did seem like more an ODI option. Decent average but not brilliant SR. Combine Taylor with other similar players and can see why we get bogged down in the middle overs sometimes. I'm sure I'll cop flak for this but the sort of Hamish Marshall-like player who could score singles and 2s at a run-a-ball is seriously missing from our ODI middle order. He did do this a few times before becoming ****. I can't explain his poor T20 international record compared to IPL - seems like an anomaly.

24-02-2012, 05:37 PM	#770 (permalink)
BeeGee International Debutant Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,737	NZ bating first.

24-02-2012, 05:37 PM	#771 (permalink)
Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,400	Batting first gun. I feel more comfortable chasing but hopefully we put up a decent score.

24-02-2012, 05:38 PM	#772 (permalink)
SeamUp State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cape Town Posts: 1,246	Pitch looks a good'un.

24-02-2012, 05:58 PM	#773 (permalink)
Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,400	Where's the crowd at?

24-02-2012, 06:05 PM	#775 (permalink)
_Ed_ Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Auckland, Aotearoa Posts: 19,103	Yeah, it's a disappointing turnout so far. Looks like only a couple of thousand.

24-02-2012, 06:05 PM	#776 (permalink)
thierry henry International Captain Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 5,032	wtf? A perfect Saturday afternoon against top class opposition and we get the smallest crowd of the season, including all of the Zimbabwe games? GAGF Wellington ****s

24-02-2012, 06:09 PM	#777 (permalink)
Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,400	Saturday sport i guess

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straw man International Vice-Captain Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: l Posts: 4,914	My brother plays club cricket in Wellington - of course they have scheduled matches for today so he can't go to the ODI.

24-02-2012, 06:12 PM	#779 (permalink)
Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,400	I have to disagree with Richards on that. It was a clear wide. The batsman didn't move out of his stance at all.

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24-02-2012, 06:12 PM	#780 (permalink)
straw man International Vice-Captain Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: l Posts: 4,914	SA generous with the extras so far