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    Anyway... the match is moving along faster than expected but I'd say that was about a par performance by us today. It was yesterday when we all but lost the match. Then today looked like we were back in it, before sliding back to about where we were at the end of yesterday.

    This will definitely be enough for Kane Williamson to retain his place and we've seen him get out after a start a few times (like Hobart second innings), but a century would be reaaaaaaaaaaalllly brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Yep. The path Taylor's lbw took on VirtualEye seemed to be completely devoid of the very obvious swing. Also, somehow it managed to get the impact point wrong. It was outrageous tbh, I honestly think that was missing.
    Yeah, I don't normally argue against technology but in this decision the ball wasn't close to hitting the middle stump like the predicted path showed. It was hitting the outside of leg stump at best. It does raise the question if that one was wrong by that much then how many other decisions are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Yeah no further swing assumed after impact. What the guy on the radio was saying was that if full toss the umpire should suddenly the assume the ball is going to miraculously travel a wicket-to-wicket line. ie. parallel to the path between middle stump at one end and middle stump at the other.

    It's just amazing that a commentator who is supposed to know the game can think this.
    Yeah so e.g. a bowler bowling right-arm over comes wide of the crease and hits a right-handed batsman on the full in line with leg-stump. The ball is missing leg by another set of stumps but some people reckon it's out. An unbelievably common misunderstanding.
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    Martin Guptill against real teams: 18 matches, 788 @ 23.17, 5 fifties, 0 hundreds

    No better than Bell, Papps etc
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    Definitely think we wrote off the player's complaints of the tracking system a bit too lightly, this one is dodgy. Is it the same company as with the Hobart test? Definitely a few shockers in that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Martin Guptill against real teams: 18 matches, 788 @ 23.17, 5 fifties, 0 hundreds

    No better than Bell, Papps etc
    And Papps averaged 43 against teams that weren't South Africa.

    (that may or may not have consisted of just one Test)

    Seriously though I don't think New Zealand got the best out of Papps; could've been a good even if inconsistent opener for a few years in his prime, but he spent his prime not getting picked, and he spent his time in the side being thrown to the wolves in South Africa while out of form. Cumming was a bit unfortunate as well in that he spent the first half of his domestic career being only slightly above average and was thrust into the Test side during that period. He hit his peak after being discarded but had been blacklisted by then due to being selected when he wasn't that good. Bell IMO was just frankly too flawed technically, but something (not something great, but something) could've been made of Papps and Cumming with better management.
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    Haven't seen the Taylor LBW, but by most accounts here the eagle-eye ****ed up?
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    Swung in a fair bit, hit him in front of leg, apparently somehow smashing full on into the inside half of leg stump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Martin Guptill against real teams: 18 matches, 788 @ 23.17, 5 fifties, 0 hundreds

    No better than Bell, Papps etc
    It's all the players included in the "etc" that is so sad...

    His head isn't still enough and his bat isn't straight enough. He's never scored big runs at first class level, so it really shouldn't be a shock that he can't hack it against the top sides. Now that he's no longer the go-to back-up spinner, he's in the side for his fielding.

    Oh, and the lack of sensible alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Why no night watchman.
    Vettori had an lbw shout against him too. I do believe in nightwatchman and we should have used one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Vettori had an lbw shout against him too. I do believe in nightwatchman and we should have used one.
    Next question is who would you pick? None of the bottom four look like ideal candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    Next question is who would you pick? None of the bottom four look like ideal candidates.
    Yes, this is true. Bracewell would be ideal but at #8 he's too important in his regular position, and bottom three don't really have the defensive techniques to be successful in the role.

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    The only NZ batsman who looks like he could do a job as night watchman is van Wyk. But the only time you would do that is if you were only 1 down close to the end of play.

    I hate night watchman, why not have one just before lunch or tea? What's the diff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    The only NZ batsman who looks like he could do a job as night watchman is van Wyk. But the only time you would do that is if you were only 1 down close to the end of play.

    I hate night watchman, why not have one just before lunch or tea? What's the diff?
    Good criticism. The only answer I have is that it hurts team psychologically more to go into the next day having lost an extra (important) player compared to losing someone before lunch.

    Plus I think batsman are more nervous before stumps so more chance of a wicket - I am making this last reason up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Does anyone else reckon it looks like Williamson is using one of those old $40 Kashmir willow bats (that's what I used to have in the mid-90s anyway) because it's so light coloured?
    TH, thats expensive. We get Kashmir Willows for $20 here in India

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