Quinton de Kock

[Marius]

Pothas probably deserved it at the time... but I think that SA where trying to build a team and wanted somebody a bit younger.

Perhaps but Pothas is only three years older than Boucher, so not a massive age gap.

Just looked at Pothas's Cricinfo profile and see he played a couple of games for Greece at the end of his career.

 

[honestbharani]

Pothas played some ODIs right? Always felt he deserved a run in tests. Funnily enough, think Boucher got in as he was a better batter, or at least considered a better batter at that time, right?

 

[anil1405]

Gilchrist was pretty awesome in ODIs.. his average was great considering the period he played in. 11 centuries already is great going by De Kock, but Gilly did it in WC finals, CB tri-series finals etc. QdK had a poor WC last year IIRC.

Which is pretty much why I don't want to jump to conclusions that de Kock is better than Gilchrist. Maybe after de Kock has played 100 more ODIs we might get a better idea of where he stands. From what we have seen till now of de Kock he has not only given explosive starts like Gilly has but has gone on to make bigger contributions to his team.

 

[Marius]

Pothas played some ODIs right? Always felt he deserved a run in tests. Funnily enough, think Boucher got in as he was a better batter, or at least considered a better batter at that time, right?

Yeah, he played a couple, I think they were in a random tri-series in Singapore or something.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Boucher gets a tad overrated imo

Was a pretty good keeper actually. The only problem is that he was the last in the line of keepers who are now obsolete. He is just from a different era whose last few years coincided with the modern era which means he compared unfavorably.

 

[CapeTown Guy]

Yeah, he played a couple, I think they were in a random tri-series in Singapore or something.

Great memory if you didnt google that! 3 ODIs in a triseries against Pakistan and New Zealand in Singapore.

 

[smash84]

who has the cooler name?Gilchrist or de Kock?

 

[Tec15]

Much better already than Gilchrist in ODI's. Gilchrist is seriously overrated in that format, largely based on peoples memories of him being a swashbuckler and his performance in the 2007 World Cup Final. No his average wasn't great considering the period he played in, that is some serious revisionism. Plenty of better openers than Gilchrist in ODIs and Dhoni is better value as a wicket keeper, so I never saw why people had him absolutely penciled in as a certainty in an all time ODI XI. In tests yes, but not in ODIs.

 

[viriya]

Gilchrist isn't even the current GOAT ODI wicketkeeper-batsman. The real GOAT retired after hitting 4 tons in a row in the last WC.

 

[Burner]

Sangakkara better than both Gilchrist and Dhoni? Don't think so. In fact even De Kock has been better from what I've seen and he could well end up the greatest.

 

[smash84]

Dhoni easily the greatest ODI wk/batsman

 

[viriya]

Sangakkara better than both Gilchrist and Dhoni? Don't think so. In fact even De Kock has been better from what I've seen and he could well end up the greatest.

Dhoni easily the greatest ODI wk/batsman

Um.. I forgot Dhoni..

My ODI top 5 right now is probably:

#1: MS Dhoni
#2: Kumar Sangakkara
#3: Adam Gilchrist
#4: Andy Flower
#5: Quinton de Kock

 

[Zinzan]

Gilchrist comparison sounds a bit vague to me.

Vague? Really? Both explosive natural ball-striking left-handed wicket-keeping batsmen capable of taking the game away from opposition in less than a session in Test cricket & destroying attacks in any form of the game.

Two of a just handful of keepers in cricket history capable of realistically averaging 45+ in Test cricket.

I don't think it's a vague comparison at all, whether one is talking talent, temperament or style.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Purely in terms of his batting aesthetically, he reminds me a lot more of Sangakkara than Gilchrist. His easy stance, backlift and trigger movement are all pure Sanga.

 

[anil1405]

Vague? Really? Both explosive natural ball-striking left-handed wicket-keeping batsmen capable of taking the game away from opposition in less than a session in Test cricket & destroying attacks in any form of the game.

Two of a just handful of keepers in cricket history capable of realistically averaging 45+ in Test cricket.

I don't think it's a vague comparison at all, whether one is talking talent, temperament or style.

Easy. I was speaking in terms of performance in that post.

de Kock has not only given South Africa explosive starts JUST AS Gilchrist did but has gone on to make it big on most occasions unlike Gilchrist. Which makes me believe if de Kock bats like this for 100 more ODIs then he would've surpassed Gilchrist in ODIs. The reason I find it vague is because at this moment it can't be said that de Kock is better than Gilchrist although he has clearly performed better than Gilchrist has in his short career so far.

 

[Red]

Um.. I forgot Dhoni..

My ODI top 5 right now is probably:

#1: MS Dhoni
#2: Kumar Sangakkara
#3: Adam Gilchrist
#4: Andy Flower
#5: Quinton de Kock

I'll tolerate that Dhoni was on par with Gilchrist and I'll perhaps even tolerate that he is better (but not IMO)

But thinking that Sangakkara is a better WK batsman in ODIs over Gilchrist is stupid. Gilchrist opened, and was probably the greatest ODI opener ever, Tendulkar aside. His SR of almost 100 was crazy.

Even if we say Gilchrist and Sanga were on par as keepers, Gilchrist's batting was actually pretty revolutionary for an opener in ODIs, and when Gilchrist launched, there was no better sight in cricket, and I doubt any batsman ever has intimidated and dominated in ODIs ever, apart from Viv.

 

[vcs]

Um.. I forgot Dhoni..

My ODI top 5 right now is probably:

#1: MS Dhoni
#2: Kumar Sangakkara
#3: Adam Gilchrist
#4: Andy Flower
#5: Quinton de Kock

Sanga is not better than Gilly in ODis. One of those cases where you cannot take stats at face value. Having said that, Sanga's 4 tons in 2015 was pretty spectacular and brings the comparison much closer than it originally was.

 

[akilana]

I'll tolerate that Dhoni was on par with Gilchrist and I'll perhaps even tolerate that he is better (but not IMO)

But thinking that Sangakkara is a better WK batsman in ODIs over Gilchrist is stupid. Gilchrist opened, and was probably the greatest ODI opener ever, Tendulkar aside. His SR of almost 100 was crazy.

Even if we say Gilchrist and Sanga were on par as keepers, Gilchrist's batting was actually pretty revolutionary for an opener in ODIs, and when Gilchrist launched, there was no better sight in cricket, and I doubt any batsman ever has intimidated and dominated in ODIs ever, apart from Viv.

There was Jayasurya before Gilly

 

[Black_Warrior]

Sanga for most part of his career was not an exceptional ODI batsman. Sanga in the last 1-2 year was beyond exceptional and that translated across formats as well.

 

[viriya]

I'll tolerate that Dhoni was on par with Gilchrist and I'll perhaps even tolerate that he is better (but not IMO)

But thinking that Sangakkara is a better WK batsman in ODIs over Gilchrist is stupid. Gilchrist opened, and was probably the greatest ODI opener ever, Tendulkar aside. His SR of almost 100 was crazy.

Even if we say Gilchrist and Sanga were on par as keepers, Gilchrist's batting was actually pretty revolutionary for an opener in ODIs, and when Gilchrist launched, there was no better sight in cricket, and I doubt any batsman ever has intimidated and dominated in ODIs ever, apart from Viv.

How exactly was Gilchrist revolutionary? He is a clear evolution of what Sanath did.

No way is he a clear ODI opener choice. Only Sachin is unarguable. There are so many other options: Amla, Jayasuriya, Sehwag, Dilshan, Waugh, Gayle, Anwar..