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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    So the bloke who earlier regarded 57 tests as a "good patch" now seeks to rely on ten tests as an indicator of the way players bat.

    Back to the spreadsheet mate.
    You haven't presented a counter argument to either point tbf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Burgey out of curiosity do you have Dravid and Sanga ahead of Kallis?

    Batting only obviously.
    Yeah I do tbh.

    Edit: only to the third decimal place though. After that Kallis takes over
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    And Ponting, for example (as I've got his stats open) has a worse record than that in India. Kallis' record in India better by some margin than Ponting's in England. You can always find a hole in anyone's record if you try hard enough.
    True.

    However, we tend to judge players based on what they do against your own team, so Kallis' **** record in England is more relevant than Ponting's **** record in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis View Post
    You haven't presented a counter argument to either point tbf
    How does "no" sound?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    True.

    However, we tend to judge players based on what they do against your own team, so Kallis' **** record in England is more relevant than Ponting's **** record in India.
    The Don has a massive ****ing hole in his record. He never scored any runs in NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    True.

    However, we tend to judge players based on what they do against your own team, so Kallis' **** record in England is more relevant than Ponting's **** record in India.
    What about Steyn and his record in England then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    And Ponting, for example (as I've got his stats open) has a worse record than that in India. Kallis' record in India better by some margin than Ponting's in England. You can always find a hole in anyone's record if you try hard enough.
    Oh yeah, of course. It's not about holes in records though, per se. It's about where those holes are.
    Kallis struggled in England, so it could be said that England fans underrate him.
    Ponting struggled hugely in India, so they could be forgiven for underrating him is GF's point, I assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    What about Steyn and his record in England then?
    Yeah. He was ****house for Essex. Therefore, I shouldn't rate him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    My pupil master has a brother who owns a string of pubs in BC, he plays there pretty regularly when he head over. Said there's some sensational tracks over there.
    Planning on being in BC later on in the year. Will have to have a few hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis View Post
    You haven't presented a counter argument to either point tbf
    They're contradictory. X averages 70 over 57 tests = just a purple patch.

    Y has a strike rate of 50 over 10 tests proves he's far from just an accumulator.

    So again, back to the spread sheet please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    What about Steyn and his record in England then?
    2 Tests, one of which was on a road, the other he may have been carrying a knock in. Means **** all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Planning on being in BC later on in the year. Will have to have a few hits.
    Think it's the course I'd most like to play tbh. So different to anything we have here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    2 Tests, one of which was on a road, the other he may have been carrying a knock in. Means **** all.
    Only marginally worse than his record vs England in South Africa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    Only marginally worse than his record vs England in South Africa...
    He's kind of the anti-Zaheer isn't he? Bowls much better to right handers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    How does "no" sound?
    Sounds like another compelling argument from the ponting denialists to me.

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