BCCI finally seems to getting it's act together.

[Daemon]

Yeah, couple of revenge odi series and I'll be over this

 

[smash84]

 

[uvelocity]

an Indian team will almost certainly win the IPL and all will be forgiven

 

[GotSpin]

Fletcher was a questionable choice at the start. He's now a dreadful choice and deserves to be offloaded quickly, like Chappell. Someone who thinks spin bowlers are irrelevant has no business coaching India. Make no mistake, this is not a terrible team, and it is not a team of terrible players. But when, within nine months, it's now reduced to something like that, you can't blame player after player. Losing too many games, losing ICC ranking points, then losing your best players one by one, that's reason enough to believe that the Fletcher stretcher is one of the darker phases in Indian cricket since the foreign coach fixation.

Kirsten was fine, but this is a high-pressure job. He wasn't really enjoying it, so India had to let him go. He was hardly someone who introduced anything remarkable in the Indian side, as past weaknesses still showed. He wasn't even taken seriously, because if he said some players are not fit to play for India because of poor fitness, there's no way Yuvraj Singh or Munaf Patel should have overstayed.

An unhealthy fixation, nonetheless. Especially when all the contenders seem to be Australians, English, New Zealanders and South Africans. Are there no competent blokes outside this target group? Are Indians such bad coaches? Can't they choose any of Kumble, Ganguly and Dravid as a national captain? Or across the strait, Chaminda Vaas? Really, the BCCI seems to look at the flag or passport first, then decides if someone's good enough to coach India.

This team is good enough, but needs to be managed better. One real change they could have is an all-rounder in the Test side for the long term, or at least a whole fleet of run-scoring bowlers.

Damn Fletcher causing all your bats to play like ****. That evil bastard!

 

[Black_Warrior]

The problems faced by Indian team now are not entirely Fletcher's fault. Many people had talked about this when India reached the number 1 position in 2009. Their best players are at the wrong side of 35. However having said that, Fletcher is still a dreadful choice as coach.

 

[smash84]

The problems faced by Indian team now are not entirely Fletcher's fault. Many people had talked about this when India reached the number 1 position in 2009. Their best players are at the wrong side of 35. However having said that, Fletcher is still a dreadful choice as coach.

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[social]

Coincidence imo.

How drastic an effect can a coach have? And if our top players need a good coach or they turn to utter ****, then that speaks volumes about them as professionals.

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Compare the efforts of Hilf and Yuvraj to improve their games

The former went away and obviously worked his butt off

Yuvi ate and whinged

It's also well known that the Indian team's net/fielding sessions are a joke and that is reflected in their performances on the field

The coach can take some of the blame for that but, at the end of the day, it's not his job to physically drag the players' lazy arses to practice

If they have so little pride in their performances then punt them and find people who actually care about the game enough to seek to improve

 

[Cevno]

As i said before too, obviously all of blame can't be apportioned to Fletcher but on the other hand if the coach isn't responsible for the motivation, quality of training of players, Fitness, Tactics to counter opposition, Affect of fielding positions, Correction of same mistake in players(especially young ones.), keeping the team together and even backing certain players etc... then what is he there for?

Fletcher hasn't added much at all so far.

 

[Daemon]

Probably true that he hasn't added much, but the way Arjun is going on seems to me as though he's blaming the Fletcher for somehow making our batting completely ****.

 

[Shri]

This

Compare the efforts of Hilf and Yuvraj to improve their games

The former went away and obviously worked his butt off

Yuvi ate and whinged

It's also well known that the Indian team's net/fielding sessions are a joke and that is reflected in their performances on the field

The coach can take some of the blame for that but, at the end of the day, it's not his job to physically drag the players' lazy arses to practice

If they have so little pride in their performances then punt them and find people who actually care about the game enough to seek to improve

Bad comparison. Singh has been ill with a tumor for about a year now and he still worked ****ing hard on his game to win the man of series award in the world cup. Rohit Sharma was the other one who got fat after being dropped. He would have been a better comparison.

 

[social]

Bad comparison. Singh has been ill with a tumor for about a year now and he still worked ****ing hard on his game to win the man of series award in the world cup. Rohit Sharma was the other one who got fat after being dropped. He would have been a better comparison.

Yuvi has always been a very good ODI player

Unfortunately, he has shown next to no improvement in the longer format and also went from being one of the world's best fieldsmen to a slug years ago i.e. well before his cancer scare

IMO, his situation is representative of too many Indian players

 

[Daemon]

His fielding decline had something to do with his injury iirc.

You also can't assume that just because he hasn't improved means he hasn't been working on his game. It may very well be the case but it could also be that he's just not good enough.

 

[Shri]

Yuvi has always been a very good ODI player

Unfortunately, he has shown next to no improvement in the longer format and also went from being one of the world's best fieldsmen to a slug years ago i.e. well before his cancer scare

IMO, his situation is representative of too many Indian players

Busted his knee a few years back and his fielding ability went with that. Might be prick with his attitude but he is also an unlucky prick.

 

[shankar]

He had a serious knee injury. Don't remember if he needed surgery or not. Wasn't the same on the field after that. Switched to mid-on from backward point.

 

[smash84]

yeah.....UV used to be awesome at point

very talented LO player but always seemed such a prick

 

[smash84]

As i said before too, obviously all of blame can't be apportioned to Fletcher but on the other hand if the coach isn't responsible for the motivation, quality of training of players, Fitness, Tactics to counter opposition, Affect of fielding positions, Correction of same mistake in players(especially young ones.), keeping the team together and even backing certain players etc... then what is he there for?

Fletcher hasn't added much at all so far.

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Probably true that he hasn't added much, but the way Arjun is going on seems to me as though he's blaming the Fletcher for somehow making our batting completely ****.

Arjun went a bit OTT. Discounted Gary Kirsten's contribution as well.

But Fletcher seems to be reminding me a bit of Greg Chappell so far except for the fact that he doesn't pop into the media so often

 

[G.I.Joe]

I think the problem with Fletcher's appointment is that he was appointed to help with the transition because he's suppsoed to be good with the youngsters. But the oldies are still hanging on, and he hasn't had the canvas all to himself yet.

 

[Furball]

As i said before too, obviously all of blame can't be apportioned to Fletcher but on the other hand if the coach isn't responsible for the motivation, quality of training of players, Fitness, Tactics to counter opposition, Affect of fielding positions, Correction of same mistake in players(especially young ones.), keeping the team together and even backing certain players etc... then what is he there for?

Fletcher hasn't added much at all so far.

The coach most certainly isn't responsible for a player's motivation, nor should he be responsible for a player's fitness beyond managing injury recovery.

 

[Daemon]

The coach most certainly isn't responsible for a player's motivation, nor should he be responsible for a player's fitness beyond managing injury recovery.

Exactly. They're not a school team ffs.

 

[Cevno]

The coach most certainly isn't responsible for a player's motivation, nor should he be responsible for a player's fitness beyond managing injury recovery.

Exactly. They're not a school team ffs.

Didn't Kirsten bring a Mental conditioning coach in Paddy Upton with him?Sehwag said himself he helped him a lot. If the players lack hunger,feeling under pressure or lacking motivation then the coach can certainly help. And even when they are lacking confidence.

As for fitness, the coach should be responsible with dieticians, fitness experts etc.... to get a training schedule for individual players that improves their fitness. I think someone probably needs to push the BCCI to get a program where they can track players fitness when they have a break too like the English do. Actually, the coach is less responsible for injury recovery than this because players go to NCA for that.