Treat Amir more leniently : Brearley

[Hurricane]

I think if Amir had made a clean breast of it I'd have been more minded to agree with Brearley. As I recall it though the trial judge didn't accept that his admission of guilt was a full disclosure, effectively saying Amir was still being less than candid.

I must admit I'm still in two minds as to whether Amir is an ingenue lead astray or just an idiot. Or a combination of both.

I am willing to a thousand dollars that he was up to his neck in skull duggery in other matches. If it had've been a full confession he would've been treated better.

 

[Zinzan]

Death penalty IMHO

 

[JBH001]

I said he should be treated leniently in the other thread (the first one IIRC). I haven't seen any reason to change my mind since then.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Bollocks.

Criminals shouldn't get dumbass discounts.

 

[zaremba]

Bollocks.

Criminals shouldn't get dumbass discounts.

You don't think criminals should get credit for pleading guilty? Really?

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

You don't think criminals should get credit for pleading guilty? Really?

Didn't say that.

 

[fredfertang]

Speaking personally I think doing away with sentencing discounts for guilty pleas is an excellent idea ......................

 

[Fusion]

Speaking personally I think doing away with sentencing discounts for guilty pleas is an excellent idea ......................

Not sure if you're serious or not, but that would ensure that every case goes to trial, which would be a huge burden on the tax payers. Also, it would take away any incentive for a "less important" defendant to testify against the "big guns" if there's no promise of a lenient sentence.

 

[fredfertang]

Just making the point about who the winners would be if there were no discounts for plea - to be entirely serious I don't think that the one third off that you get in the UK for an early plea is actually enough - if the government really wants to cut down on trials they should be a bit more imaginative

 

[zaremba]

He's saying that because he passionately believes in it. Nothing, I'm sure, to do with the fact that he earns more from cases that go to trial...

Edit: beaten to it by the great man himself

 

[Fusion]

Just making the point about who the winners would be if there were no discounts for plea - to be entirely serious I don't think that the one third off that you get in the UK for an early plea is actually enough - if the government really wants to cut down on trials they should be a bit more imaginative

One third off is all you can get? The prosecution has no latitude? Here in the US, the prosecution can pretty much decide on any plea deal they want. Hence there's massive incentive to plead guilty and make a deal.

 

[zaremba]

One third off is all you can get? The prosecution has no latitude? Here in the US, the prosecution can pretty much decide on any plea deal they want. Hence there's massive incentive to plead guilty and make a deal.

The view here is that it's not really the prosecution who should make these decisions (although that's perhaps an over simplification). It's up to the Court. I think there's a sense of looking at the US criminal justice system with a bit of horror actually.

 

[Fusion]

The view here is that it's not really the prosecution who should make these decisions (although that's perhaps an over simplification). It's up to the Court. I think there's a sense of looking at the US criminal justice system with a bit of horror actually.

Ah I see. I can understand that view I suppose but I would argue that since it's the prosecution that has the burden of making the case, they should also have the latitude on plea deals. If they overstep their power and come up with a vastly unfair deal, the judge can always reject it. That preservers a system of checks and balances.

 

[G.I.Joe]

One third off is all you can get? The prosecution has no latitude? Here in the US, the prosecution can pretty much decide on any plea deal they want. Hence there's massive incentive to plead guilty and make a deal.

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[Top_Cat]

That happened in Canada...

 

[G.I.Joe]

That happened in Canada...

Same difference!

 

[Top_Cat]

Ah, they all look the same.

 

[zaremba]

668, the neighbour of the beast.