Trading Game

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Originally Posted by Hurricane

it would take (1) a bowler of proven test standard who actually averages 32 or less coming back. And because he is an all rounder (2) a batsman thrown in who averages 40 (which is what Dan averages in the last while since he improved).

(1) Graham Onions - averages 31 in Tests.
(2) Ravi Bopara - averages 42 in FC.

And I'll throw in Davies as well.

[Hurricane]

No deal. Onions seems to have a decent record and would be good enough for my XI based on his stats but he has only played 8 tests and his last few outings didn't go as well. I would be better off with someone who has 350 test wickets.

Thanks for the offers but I will keep Dan.

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Alright then buddy. I'm finished trading then I think. Undecided on some of the bench spots though.

Pre:
Andrew Strauss
Alistair Cook
Jonathan Trott
Kevin Pietersen
Ian Bell
Eoin Morgan
Matt Prior
Tim Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
James Anderson

Ravi Bopara
Monty Panesar
Chris Tremlett

Post:
Andrew Strauss
Alistair Cook
Jonathan Trott
Kevin Pietersen
VVS Laxman
Ian Bell
Matt Prior
Tim Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
James Anderson

Simon Katich
Amit Mishra
Ishant Sharma

Solved the middle-order batsman situation as well as a bit more depth in Katich. Have various options depending on where we were playing. Only annoying thing is that I got rid of Finn early - he'd have been nice to keep if I knew that I'd get rid of Tremlett.

Cheers for setting this up Hurricane - great game. Would be keen on doing another some time. If every manager was keen to at least negotiate, this would be great. Maybe convince Cribb to simulate a future one as well with his database. Simmage + active managers would be awesome.

[Athlai]

Ishant wouldn't be on the bench for England IMO.

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Originally Posted by Athlai

Ishant wouldn't be on the bench for England IMO.

Yeah, I know, my pace depth has slightly weakened. Mistake to get rid of Finn so early, really.

Still think I've improved the team and squad though.

[NUFAN]

I've really enjoyed this too - if it were to happen again I would make 1 suggestion.

The team ranked worst should be able to make an auto trade for any player he wants. Then, the second worst team and so forth. You could make a rule where a maximum of 2 players can be traded from the top 4 teams, and say 1 player from team 5 and 6.

Eg:
Zim trade out Chris Mpofu and bring in Dale Steyn.
Bang trade out Rubel Hossain and bring in Sachin Tendulkar
NZ (are they 8th?) trade out BJ Watling and bring in Virender Sehwag
WI trade out Carlton Baugh and bring in Matt Prior
Pak trade out Asad Shafiq and bring in Shane Watson
SL trade out Dilhara Fernando and bring in James Anderson

Etc..

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Originally Posted by NUFAN

I've really enjoyed this too - if it were to happen again I would make 1 suggestion.

The team ranked worst should be able to make an auto trade for any player he wants. Then, the second worst team and so forth. You could make a rule where a maximum of 2 players can be traded from the top 4 teams, and say 1 player from team 5 and 6.

Eg:
Zim trade out Chris Mpofu and bring in Dale Steyn.
Bang trade out Rubel Hossain and bring in Sachin Tendulkar
NZ (are they 8th?) trade out BJ Watling and bring in Virender Sehwag
WI trade out Carlton Baugh and bring in Matt Prior
Pak trade out Asad Shafiq and bring in Shane Watson
SL trade out Dilhara Fernando and bring in James Anderson

Etc..

Yeah, I think that would work as long as the player they get rid of is in their 14 (or increase the squad size if this were to happen again).

I think it's all about getting good, active managers who are willing to negotiate. The more active it is, the better AFAIC.

[Howe_zat]

Cheers for running this, Hurricane. Great game.

Originally Posted by NUFAN

I've really enjoyed this too - if it were to happen again I would make 1 suggestion.

The team ranked worst should be able to make an auto trade for any player he wants. Then, the second worst team and so forth. You could make a rule where a maximum of 2 players can be traded from the top 4 teams, and say 1 player from team 5 and 6.

Eg:
Zim trade out Chris Mpofu and bring in Dale Steyn.
Bang trade out Rubel Hossain and bring in Sachin Tendulkar
NZ (are they 8th?) trade out BJ Watling and bring in Virender Sehwag
WI trade out Carlton Baugh and bring in Matt Prior
Pak trade out Asad Shafiq and bring in Shane Watson
SL trade out Dilhara Fernando and bring in James Anderson

Etc..

Well, you could, but you'd have to have a rule where they can only bring in players from different teams. Otherwise one of England/SA/India could get completely nerfed before the draft even starts.

Besides, it's quite fair anyway so long as you make it about who improved their side the most.

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Originally Posted by Howe_zat

Besides, it's quite fair anyway so long as you make it about who improved their side the most.

Yeah, I agree with this. Realistically, the managers of the likes on Bangladesh and Zimbabwe shouldn't be aiming to go and beat the likes of England, but get closer or overtake the likes of the West Indies, New Zealand, Sri Lanka etc.

Would definitely be keen for another version of this some time if every manager was active and negotiating. Really fancied a few Saffas for example.

- Bigger squads.
- Simmage.
- Keep the guys who were active in this one and replace those that weren't.

That would be seriously good.

[Agent Nationaux]

Well done Hurricane for running a good game. Really enjoyed following it and hopefully I can get in on the action for next time (dibs on Pakistan).

[NUFAN]

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

Well, you could, but you'd have to have a rule where they can only bring in players from different teams. Otherwise one of England/SA/India could get completely nerfed before the draft even starts.

Besides, it's quite fair anyway so long as you make it about who improved their side the most.

Or you could do exactly what I suggested in the post that you quoted.

Two players max from the top 4 teams (Eng, Ind, SA, Aus) and 1 player from teams 5 and 6 (Pak and SL) - This would help the lower ranked teams ensure they keep Vettori, Shakib etc..

I just think it's always fun to have a few added twists, it gets a bit repetitive if you do the same format over and over.

[Hurricane]

Thanks lads and thanks for making it a success.

In terms of NUFANs idea - anyone is welcome to, at some time in the future, put their own twist on the game and run it.

I think you need to carefully examine the objectives of what you are trying to do though. If it just who improved their team the most then I think NUFAN won the game. If it is who ends up with the best team then you need to do something like NUFAN is suggesting.

[Prince EWS]

I'll do some ratings on these teams later. Won't be definitive obviously but it'll be a bit of fun I guess.

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Awesome.

[Prince EWS]

Somerset didn't actually make any trades, so I've ignored South Africa completely.

This is how the original teams were rated:

England (Eds) - 114.10
Australia (Blakus) - 113.64
India (Turbinator) - 105.29
Pakistan (Howe_zat) - 87.05
New Zealand (Hurricane) - 84.71
Sri Lanka (Athlai) - 80.92
West Indies (ganeshran) - 74.27
Bangladesh (NUFAN) - 51.89
Zimbabwe (morgieb) - 47.10

This is how they were rated post-trading:

England (Eds) - 119.50
Australia (Blakus) - 104.31
Sri Lanka (Athlai) - 103.78
India (Turbinator) - 101.75
Pakistan (Howe_zat) - 97.85
New Zealand (Hurricane) - 87.58
West Indies (ganeshran) - 65.67
Bangladesh (NUFAN) - 62.02
Zimbabwe (morgieb) - 49.76

Athlai was the big winner there. Howe_zat and Hurricane both managed to improve their sides but slid down the rankings anyway because of Athlai's h4x. Turb, Blakus and ganeshran made their sides worse.

				Before	After	Index
				
Sri Lanka	Athlai		80.92	103.78	1.28
Bangladesh	NUFAN		51.89	62.02	1.20
Pakistan	Howe_zat	87.05	97.85	1.12
Zimbabwe	morgieb		47.1	49.76	1.06
England		Eds		114.1	119.5	1.05
New Zealand	Hurricane	84.71	87.58	1.03
India		Turbinator	105.29	101.75	0.97
Australia	Blakus		113.64	104.31	0.92
West Indies	ganeshran	74.27	65.67	0.88

So Athlai wins; pretty much.