lockton2skipper
U19 Debutant
well f*** you too .how do you know it's not just an excuse on mccullum's part not to keep wicket everything is not always as black and white as you think.
-
Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
NZ Test Match Summer News and Thoughts
- Thread starter Hurricane
- Start date
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
the feeling is mutual - I don't think Howick-Pakuranga would stand much chance against South Africa tbh
I think Chris Martin has been given plenty of credit on this forum, including by those who had written him off before the series began. However I seem to also remember someone named Steve getting into Tim Southee over both his bowling and batting leading up to lunch on the final day in Hobart*... I guess you would have a few good words to say about him after his bowling post-lunch? If not match-winning it was at least a big contribution.
* I did too, though later admitted he proved me wrong
Woodster
International Captain
John Wright suggests NZ have won a Test where they haven't scored over 300 in either innings, so let's lose a batsman and go with five bowlers ? Now I appreciate with Vettori coming back into the side it could be feasible that he strengthens the batting regardless of who he replaces (as some people see it, though not me personally). But it doesn't make sense to tamper with the balance of the side just yet, there was some very promising signs in that last Test and while you should always look to improve, think Wright needs to give these players (the batsmen mainly) the chance to improve their game.
I likes the fact Williamson was dropped down to five, think he looked more comfortable there and while it is widely acknowledged he will bat there in the years ahead, and it's good that he wants to, it will not do him any harm to build his confidence at this level down at five. Jesse Ryder is a good option at three for me, he had a poor series, as did most batsman on both sides, but let these guys put it right in less bowler-friendly conditions before opting for a five-man attack. That could work against Zimbabwe, but anyone stronger would surely have a field day. Just my two-penneth, for what it's worth.
I likes the fact Williamson was dropped down to five, think he looked more comfortable there and while it is widely acknowledged he will bat there in the years ahead, and it's good that he wants to, it will not do him any harm to build his confidence at this level down at five. Jesse Ryder is a good option at three for me, he had a poor series, as did most batsman on both sides, but let these guys put it right in less bowler-friendly conditions before opting for a five-man attack. That could work against Zimbabwe, but anyone stronger would surely have a field day. Just my two-penneth, for what it's worth.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, I don't get where all this **** about Jesse being the first man to chop is. He's got the most ability out of any of the batting order and he only just came back from an injury. I still think he's more likely to succeed in the long term than Brownlie. I'd say Guptill should be on the chopping block first.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
who would you open with then.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah; Ryder is an infinitely better batsman than Guptill. The problem created by that would be who'd go up to open though.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
As Nasserfan suggested the guy with the best temperament for the job is Brownlie. Ryder won't know whether to attack or defend.
Do you think the selectors will treat the Zimbabwe as a trial match for the South Africa series, as Glenn Turner seems to be suggesting?
Cricket | Best players not necessarily in Black... | Stuff.co.nz
I can't imagine any selectors not picking Vettori. But I do think they might play four seamers against Zimbabwe even if they aren't planning on doing so against South Africa. Alternatively, they could be planning to play 5 bowlers vs South Africa, in which case they might play all 6 batsmen against Zimbabwe to have a virtual bat-off.
If Vettori is going to play with four seam bowlers, then we need a keeper to make a lot more runs than Young seems capable of. Who that is I don't know - Young has a pretty decent first class record in recent seasons, so it's hard to say that Van Wyk or de Boorder will score any more based solely on their first class stats.
If a batsman is to be sacrificed it should be Guptill, who simply isn't good enough. But then there isn't an opener. (NO to Brownlie, by the way.) Anyone know if Watling would consider taking the gloves and opening?
My internal jury on Jesse is very much out. His career seems to be on a Greatbatch-like graph. The comparisons are even stronger if he's asked to open. Given Guptill's fielding skills and the lack of opening alternatives, I can see him being selected ahead of Ryder.
If they select just three seamers, I'd drop Southee. Yes, he bowled a couple of good overs after lunch at Hobart, but he's had a lot of chances and hasn't looked like leading a bowling attack. And it seems Boult can slog a quick 15-20 just as well.
Cricket | Best players not necessarily in Black... | Stuff.co.nz
I can't imagine any selectors not picking Vettori. But I do think they might play four seamers against Zimbabwe even if they aren't planning on doing so against South Africa. Alternatively, they could be planning to play 5 bowlers vs South Africa, in which case they might play all 6 batsmen against Zimbabwe to have a virtual bat-off.
If Vettori is going to play with four seam bowlers, then we need a keeper to make a lot more runs than Young seems capable of. Who that is I don't know - Young has a pretty decent first class record in recent seasons, so it's hard to say that Van Wyk or de Boorder will score any more based solely on their first class stats.
If a batsman is to be sacrificed it should be Guptill, who simply isn't good enough. But then there isn't an opener. (NO to Brownlie, by the way.) Anyone know if Watling would consider taking the gloves and opening?
My internal jury on Jesse is very much out. His career seems to be on a Greatbatch-like graph. The comparisons are even stronger if he's asked to open. Given Guptill's fielding skills and the lack of opening alternatives, I can see him being selected ahead of Ryder.
If they select just three seamers, I'd drop Southee. Yes, he bowled a couple of good overs after lunch at Hobart, but he's had a lot of chances and hasn't looked like leading a bowling attack. And it seems Boult can slog a quick 15-20 just as well.
_Ed_
Request Your Custom Title Now!
Maybe. But converting middle order players into openers has backfired for us a few times in the last 10 years or so.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
There's no doubt in my mind that forcing Ryder to open would be significantly worse for his development than dropping him altogether (or rather, twelfth man duties) for a short period.
If you force him to open then he either succeeds there as best he can (which IMO might be an average of about 32) or he fails.... but then in future is only half-considered for a middle order spot. See Vincent, Sinclair, Fulton and probably a couple of others. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
If you force him to open then he either succeeds there as best he can (which IMO might be an average of about 32) or he fails.... but then in future is only half-considered for a middle order spot. See Vincent, Sinclair, Fulton and probably a couple of others. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I don't really see it as going in with five bowlers though; I see it more as "four bowlers and Vettori".
"Five bowlers" sounds stupid but so does "eight batsmen". I suppose you could say that your keeping position inadequacies mean you need to strengthen the batting.
New problem : should you run the pool on "how long till jesse gets injured" in terms of overs, sessions or days? Whole matches would be wildly optimistic.
Last edited:
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
****in Martin to keep then he can bowl with the wicket keeping pads on while someone else keeps for that over.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Watling to both open and keep?
McCullum
Watling+
Williamson
Taylor
Brownlie
Ryder
Vettori
Bracewell
Southee
Boult
Martin
Seriously though I think Boult just has to be dropped for now; not a lot else that can be realisitcally done.